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Antique Spanish Rifle From Eibar, Spain

nhp1127
Hi,

I have a rifle which I would like help to identify and value. It is engraved with gold. I belive it to be made in Eibar, 16 or 17th century because of the ornate gold designs and the gold lettered inscription that reads " POR PEDRO ORCEA LN EIBAR ". The weapon appears to have a period repair tothe stock which is quite interesting. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks, Niels

P.S. Can someone guide me on how to add pictures? Thanks!
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  • rufe-snow
    Need quality photos for accurate identification and valuation.

    Instructions for posting photos at this link.

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
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  • nhp1127
    OK... lets see if this works....001kmn.jpg
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  • Spider7115
    Here you go. It looks like a tourist wallhanger to me. Those screws look pretty modern and the gun is crudely made but I'll defer to others:

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  • nhp1127
    Thanks for the help in posting these. I finally figured it out. Question, Would a repro have gold engraving and an old repair?
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  • 11b6r
    The percussion cap did not exist in the 16th or 17th century. It's invention dates from about 1820.
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  • Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by nhp1127
    Thanks for the help in posting these. I finally figured it out. Question, Would a repro have gold engraving and an old repair?

    Yes. Many tourist pieces are made up of old parts, broken stocks, etc., to look authentic. A lot of them from Afghanistan have old "Tower" locks from the 19th century but the guns were assembled last week!

    I'm looking at a barrel with a bell that appears to be pounded sheet metal like they use in Pakistan. I'm also looking at the front swivel that looks like parts from a local hardware store. Still, let's see what others have to say.
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  • perry shooter
    It does not look like these parts could have ever been a working cap lock the spring on the side would not make the hammer fall but rather work to Cock the hammer. IMHO it is a shame this much time and effort was used to make a fake. I don't believe this is gold but rather a gold color wash like bonanza gold sold and used to gold highlight lettering on firearms. Regardless in the condition this thing is in, Value is Minimum at best and not something most gun collectors would own at any price.
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  • nhp1127
    Another tidbet of info, this was purchased at an antique store in 1955 in Denmark. So atleast I know that much.

    FYI- I had googled "Eibar" and that is where I found the information that this Spanish / Basque town had been producing fire arms since the 1500's.
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  • rhmc24
    The gun is real, probably had a life as a fowler (shotgun) then the barrel cut off and flared to make a blunderbus, possibly for social reasons. I think it is a serious piece. Value? Not a lot unless you find a collector of miquelet lock variations or other Spanish pieces. Even then not a lot but it's well worth keeping, might bring couple hundred at auction. Could bring quite a bit more if a blunderbus fancier sees it.
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  • Bill DeShivs
    The inlay on the barrel is real, engraved inlay.
    Not sure about the gun. Eibar has been a gunmaking town for a long time.
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