have a return question
Have a question about the law.All the firearms dealer and gun stores where i live absolutly will not take back a gun for any reason.If you buy one new and it breaks you must return to the factory.They tell me its a law that you cant return or exchange a gun.I dont see how this could be true since most sellers on here offer a three day money back guarentee if something is wrong.Is this a law or just thier policy?
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If you have defective firearm and send it back to the factory and the FACTORY can (if they feel like it) send directly to you a replacement for the defective gun, but if you take the defective gun back to the dealer he cannot simply hand you a new replacement gun. Even if the dealer were willing to do this (and I can't see any reason he would) you would have to go through the entire purchase process with new paperwork performed on the replacement gun.
It can go one of two ways:
1) Your gun is defective. You contact the manufacturer and they authorize your returning the gun to them. If the manufacture cannot fix it then they send a replacement firearm to your door step.
2) You take the defective gun to the dealer. The dealer contacts the factory, gets the authorization and ships the gun to the manufacturer. The factory cannot fix it so they send a replacement gun to the dealer. He calls you on the phone letting you know that your new gun has arrived and then you come in and fill out new paperwork and have a new background check run.
As a consumer the factory will generally cover shipping both ways when you send them a defective gun for repair/exchange. The dealer being a dealer has to pay for shipping...Which means that YOU WILL BE PAYING HIM FOR THE SHIIPING once the gun comes back.
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It is their POLICY.
If it was law then there would be NO used guns bought, sold or traded at gun stores.............0 -
Kinda like cars. You really can't buy a new car drive it for 3 days then return it because you changed your mind.
Once a new gun leaves the "car the lot" it's now considered used. How's the dealer supposed to know you didn't run someone over with your new gun? [;)]
Pretty comon rule.
Dealer I worked for gave a 15 day repair policy on used guns. He would make any repair necessary if the gun was brought back within that time period.0 -
I believe one major reason is Because there is a Paper trail with BATFE records . This Firearm can not be sold again as New even if someone bought it walked out the door and then walked back in. The next time it was sold it could not be listed on the 4473 as NEW the second buyer would want a discount from New price and the dealer would be out the money of this discount. Back before 1968 gun control law . S&W "N" frame pistols were very hard for dealers to get. You might have to order TEN model 10's to get one model 27 or sometimes as many as 25 guns to get say one model 8&3/8 inch model 29. I traveled on the job and visited a different gun shop every day for lunch I bought guns from one dealer and sold to another dealer 2 or 3 times a week. The dealers loved me and at that time I was not breaking the law. All this changed in 1968. [:(] 0 -
Policy of the shop, not law. They could enter the firearm in their bound volume as "returned by buyer"- but then they may have a liability issue if the frist buyer did something to the gun. Local shop I deal with on C&R guns has a 30 day return policy- they have fixed one I bought, and refunded my money on another. 0 -
"you would have to go through the entire purchase process with new paperwork performed on the replacement gun. ".........I have to disagree, if you bring a firearm in to a dealer for 'repair' (new or otherwise, that you own)he CAN repair it or REPLACE it with a like firearm with no additional paperwork. This is at his option, if he were to send a faulty fireame back to the factory ant they replaced it, he could just hand the new one back to you. 0 -
I am not a gun smith so I am not fully familiar with all of the intricacies of their regulations. If a person brings a firearm into an FFL (dealer or gun smith) and that firearm stays with the FFL for more than a single business day then that firearm has to be entered into the FFLs bound book as an acquisition. Once the gun is booked I am not aware of any mechanism in the regulations that simply allows the FFL to hand it to a person without filling out a fresh 4473 and running a background check. If the dealer obtains a gun from a customer to ship back to the manufacturer (or to anyone for that matter) then he must enter that firearm in his A&D book and show it shipped to the manufacturer (or where ever it went to)...That gun is now gone. If the gun comes back, or a new gun comes back to replace it, then that gun (old or new) has to be booked all over again and if transferred it needs a fresh 4473.
If I am mistaken about this then i will gladly stand as corrected.0 -
"and that firearm stays with the FFL for more than a single business day then that firearm has to be entered into the FFLs bound book as an acquisition."........true, that is why dealers who also repair firearms have 2 separate 'bound books', one for sales and one for repair. the 'repair' book does not require any additional paper work when a firearm is returned (or replaced) to the original owner.
Thank you Mike, I just learned something very useful. So what happens in the situation where the buyer gives the gun to a dealer like myself, who is not a gun smith, to ship back to the manufacturer? When the gun (repaired or replaced)comes back can the dealer just had it over or is a new 44773 in order?0 -
I'd start another 'bound book' for repairs (even if for only 1 or 2 guns. The 1st entry would be "rec'd from John doe" the sent to Rem. Arms (or what ever), when it comes back " rec'd from Rem arms" and releast to Joh Doe (with a reference to the 1st listing. If anyone else than John Doe (son, daughter, wife)picks the firearm up you fill out a 4473. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
I'd start another 'bound book' for repairs (even if for only 1 or 2 guns. The 1st entry would be "rec'd from John doe" the sent to Rem. Arms (or what ever), when it comes back " rec'd from Rem arms" and releast to Joh Doe (with a reference to the 1st listing. If anyone else than John Doe (son, daughter, wife)picks the firearm up you fill out a 4473.
What you say has excellent merit. Why can't pawnshops do the same? (Same person pawning is also retrieving).
And consignment that doesn't sell..'Rec'd from John Doe and Ret'd to John Doe.
What makes the difference? There has to be something? Can you start a second bound book for pawns/consignments? Thanks, Joe0
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