Browning HP
Happy after I got a Belgian Browning Hi Power. Belonged to an Air Force surplus.
Almost mint it is a military early 80's model. My first SA pistol as I have already gotten a CZ75 and Tanfoglio 9mm. Now waiting a trip to the woods to shot it.
Breech
Almost mint it is a military early 80's model. My first SA pistol as I have already gotten a CZ75 and Tanfoglio 9mm. Now waiting a trip to the woods to shot it.
Breech
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I just traded for a Browning HP which is about 10 years old, still in box with papers and seems to not ever have been shot. I never racked slide back or tried trigger before I traded for it. My question is: how much travel should the trigger have before gun would fire? This gun has at least 1/4 inch travel before gun would shoot, with 3 noticeable hard pulls on trigger in that 1/4 inch. I hope that is not normal for a unshot Browning HP. I have not took gun apart and tried to fix (grease and etc.) Would like to send gun to factory If I could do that with no cost to me, what do the experts say about this? 0 -
I have 2 of them and the travel before release is common unless a trigger job has been done.
The only way to take it up is to remove the mag safety and the factory will not remove.0 -
Your HP is normal.
Removing the magazine safety will improve the trigger pull very much.
It's the first thing I do on mine.
After it is out then you can see if you want a trigger job done.
Sometimes it is enough. It depends on what the shooter wants.0 -
Thanks, I will try the magazine safety and see if that helps. 0 -
Sounds normal. The typical factory BHP trigger pull is a bit of free travel, then some grit and a sharp let off. Much can be done to improve the trigger pull and it nearly always involves working on the mag disconnect safety.
If you remove the slide and look top to bottom you'll see the pad protrude into the mag well. In fact, after a while most BHP mags develop a little wear "shadow" reflecting the pad's pressure against the front.
Removing the mag disconnect or working on it in general can be a bit of a challenge. The trigger pin is a PITA to remove and the unit a challenge to remove and reattach to the frame via the trigger guard.
FWIW, the approach I take is to lighten the disconnect pad's spring pressure and polish the pad.0 -
It's a shame that a person has to work on a pistol when its new or like new. 0 -
A pistol that has been on the shelf for so many years would probably benefit from a good cleaning and lubrication to get rid of the old oils that has begun to turn to resin by now. I always found that the mag safety was easy to remove while the trigger was still in the frame. You can see the small retaining pin on the upper rear of the trigger body and just drifting it out releases the safety pad and spring and it usually drops right out. 0 -
Sounds like your hi power has the firing pin block. If that's the case, the play is normal and you are stuck with it. Removing the mag safety won't help. The only remedy is to replace the slide with a pre block slide. Still a fine gun, though. If I had it, there would be no doubt that it had been shot. A lot. 0 -
Just wondering what a firing pin block is? If the magazine safety is removed what keeps the trigger lever to the rear? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by peddler
Just wondering what a firing pin block is? If the magazine safety is removed what keeps the trigger lever to the rear?
The BHP doesn't have a firing pin block - a firing pin block is a feature that physically prevents the firing pin from contacting the primer. Look at the Colt Series 80 for an example.
What the BHP has is a very unusual trigger set up, best seen with the slide removed and held upside down next to the frame. The trigger actually doesn't touch the sear nor drop it directly.
Looking at the frame from the top (no mag inserted) when you press the trigger you'll notice it moves freely - it won't drop the hammer and if you insert the magazine, it still won't drop the hammer. Note the difference between the trigger with mag out and mag in - the mag in creates that gritty feel.
What you should notice when you insert the magazine is that a small, short lever attached to the trigger moves from forward to back. Now look at the underside the slide and you'll see an actuator bar running lengthwise. That bar is lifted by the lever when the magazine is inserted. When the magazine is removed the lever is pivoted too far forward to contact the lever. When the trigger is pressed (mag in) the front of that bar is pushed up which causes the rear to be cammed down against the sear, the sear is that small flat piece of steel sitting just in front of the hammer. So the trigger, with mag removed or inserted, cannot release the hammer when the slide is removed from the pistol.
You can lower the hammer without pressing the trigger, just press down directly on the sear - but make certain your thumb has good purchase on the hammer.
Pretty neat little set up that most are not aware of, it also accounts for much of the BHP's not so crisp or great trigger pull.0 -
So what you are saying is that when magazine safety is removed, the little arm will not move back and when trigger is pulled gun will not fire. Does that mean that magazine safety cannot be removed? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
quote:Originally posted by peddler
Just wondering what a firing pin block is? If the magazine safety is removed what keeps the trigger lever to the rear?
The BHP doesn't have a firing pin block - a firing pin block is a feature that physically prevents the firing pin from contacting the primer. Look at the Colt Series 80 for an example.
What the BHP has is a very unusual trigger set up, best seen with the slide removed and held upside down next to the frame. The trigger actually doesn't touch the sear nor drop it directly.
Looking at the frame from the top (no mag inserted) when you press the trigger you'll notice it moves freely - it won't drop the hammer and if you insert the magazine, it still won't drop the hammer. Note the difference between the trigger with mag out and mag in - the mag in creates that gritty feel.
What you should notice when you insert the magazine is that a small, short lever attached to the trigger moves from forward to back. Now look at the underside the slide and you'll see an actuator bar running lengthwise. That bar is lifted by the lever when the magazine is inserted. EDIT, the actuator bar in the slide is ONLY moved when the slide is on the frame and it is in battery. The trigger can only move it to move the sear at that time ! When the magazine is removed the lever is pivoted too far forward to contact the lever. When the trigger is pressed (mag in) the front of that bar is pushed up which causes the rear to be cammed down against the sear, the sear is that small flat piece of steel sitting just in front of the hammer. So the trigger, with mag removed or inserted, cannot release the hammer when the slide is removed from the pistol.
You can lower the hammer without pressing the trigger, just press down directly on the sear - but make certain your thumb has good purchase on the hammer.
Pretty neat little set up that most are not aware of, it also accounts for much of the BHP's not so crisp or great trigger pull.
See my edit above [;)] The mag safety has NOTHING to do with thw trigger bar.
With the slide off you can feel the difference in the trigger pull with the mag in and out. It will show you how much difference it makes.0
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