m-1 garand facts
I am considering purchasing a garand rifle on sale here. I would like to shoot it, and would like to find one in reasonably good shape, not looking for a perfect 'collector'. I have read here of terms like cut op rods, frankenrifle, etc. I guess I'm asking what criteria you experts may use to judge an M-1.
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It takes a lot of time & energy to learn all that you would need to know to get a good shooter, & not a junker. For my first M1, I bought a service grade rifle from the Civilian Marksmanship Program. They have them now for $595. You can't go wrong with one of these.
Neal
EDIT: Obviously my response was not clear. Every CMP rifle is inspected, gauged, & tested by an experience service-trained armorer. Rifles that are "service grade" or higher are capable of being issued to a soldier whose life may depend upon it. While I have bid on Locust Fork's auctions, Kasey is not a service-trained armorer. If she has not had a technical inspection performed on an M1 rifle she is selling, it would be wise for you to have that done if you buy it, just as you should do for any M1 rifle of unknown quality. (Fulton Armory charges $80 for a technical inspection.)0 -
so I guess its just buy one and take your chances eh? The one I've been looking at is listed here on GB H&R by Locust Fork. 0 -
Buying an uninspected M-1 Garand is like buying a pig in a poke
if it hasn't been gaged and test fired.
Gas system parts can gage within service limits but have a bent rod.
In a Division Ordnance Small arms shop, we didn't have a fixture to check rod alignment, They were just replaced when M-1s checked out but
failed to cycle. That was over 50 years ago. There can be more problems today.
At worst,if the barrel fit to the gas cylinder is worn or eroded undersized,it's more than a gas cylinder or operating rod you're in for a new barrel.
Test firing would be the easiest and best proof of operating condition.
The sale should be contingent on the rifle functioning with M-1 or M-2 Ball ammo or equivalent.0 -
Thank-you very much for your help. I looked up the CMP rifles and there are some things I have to do to qualify first. I will explore that option. Your time and expertise are appreciated. 0 -
If you are interested in a specific firearm on the GB auctions you need to link the auction to the boards or at the very least provide the auction number so that the members can look at it. Locust Fork is a legend over on General Discussion but her presence in Ask The Experts forum is virtually non existent; only 30 of her 15,000+ posts were in this forum. As a result not everyone here knows who the lady is or follows her auctions to the degree the members of General Discussion do.
There is not nearly as much cross posting between the Gun Broker Forums as people imagine; quite a few of our most active and knowledgeable members in ATE seldom set foot in General Discussion.
Looks like you are now actively bidding on that rifle. Good luck.0 -
Thanks Mark, I did bid on the rifle but lost it at the end. It was back and forth for awhile. Guess I'll keep looking, I've viewed some other spots, ie garand guy etc but these are all rebuilt new rifles out of my price range. Sooner or later I'll find the right one. 0 -
Woodhog,
Qualifying for a CMP rife is not that hard to get through find a local club that have the shoots and take a rifle out and qualify for the CMP rifle.
Emmett0 -
AS the others have said, not that hard to qualifyat a DCM shoot, if nothing else, look for an Apple Seed shoot, which also is recognized as a qualifier shoot for a garand. Take a brick of .22 ammo, your favorite .22, learn to shoot/better and meet other people learning the same. www.appleseedinfo.org 0 -
Question:
GCA (Garand Collectors Association) is one of the approved CMP organizations to qualify someone for purchase of CMP guns. Now..
Does the GCA require a 'shoot' in order to be fully cleared to purchase through the CMP? Or is mere membership [in GCA] enough? Thanks, Joe0 -
Here you go
Proof of U.S. Citizenship:
You must provide a copy of a U.S. birth certificate, passport, proof of naturalization, or any official government document that shows birth in the U.S. or states citizenship as U.S.
Proof of Age:
You must provide proof of age. Usually proof of citizenship also provides proof of age. In those cases where it may not, a driver's license is sufficient.
Membership in CMP Affiliated Organization:
You must provide a copy of your current membership card or other proof of membership. This requirement cannot be waived. The CMP currently has over 2,000 affiliated organizations located in many parts of the country.
Membership in many of these organizations costs $25.00 or less and can be accomplished online. A listing of affiliated organizations can be found by clicking on our Club Search web page at http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/clubSearch.cgi. If you have any difficulty in locating a club, please contact the CMP at 256-835-8455 or by emailing CMP Customer Service. We will find one for you. In addition to shooting clubs, the CMP also has several special affiliates. Membership in these organizations satisfies our requirement for purchase. These special affiliates include: Congressionally chartered veterans' organizations such as the VFW, AL, DAV, MCL, etc. U.S. Military services (active or reserves), National Guard, to include retirees. Professional 501(c)3 law enforcement organizations and associations such as the FOP, NAPO, NSA, etc.
Note: Club membership IS required for purchase of rifles, parts, and ammunition.
Club membership is NOT required for instructional publications or videos or CMP memorabilia.
Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity:
You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:
- Current or past military service.
- Current or past law enforcement service
- Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
- Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
- Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
- Concealed Carry License.
- Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training.
- FFL or C&R license.
- Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
- Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. A form for use in completing and certifying your range firing can be downloaded from the CMP web site at http://www.odcmp.com/forms/marksmanship.pdf
No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60. proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages.
NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia0
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