9.3x62 M1 Garand barrel
I saw an ad for M1 Garand barrels in the past month, but can't remember where.
It was offered in 9.3x62. Any thoughts on this? Anyone recall seeing such an ad?
It was offered in 9.3x62. Any thoughts on this? Anyone recall seeing such an ad?
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There is very little difference between 9.3 X 62 and .35 Whelen. Given the availability of .358 bullets, you would be ahead of the game going with the Whelen, IMHO. 0 -
Just one thought...WHY ? 0 -
I never saw the ads, but I agree, why? I think it's a bit clunky for a hunting rifle, but I guess it's different. It would knock down anything in North America in either caliber, and if it could be metered properly to take the different stresses the 9.3 or .35 Whelen sporting rounds impart on the gun, I bet it could be a cool conversation starter at the range. For me, I see a future of bent op-rods and battered parts, so I'll stick to the ol' standby .30 round.
I must say that I liked the .338 Federal M1A conversion that was in a gun mag this month..I forget if it was G&A or ST..."Border Ruffian" is what the article was called. Springfield said they're barely keeping up with the .308 ones, the .338 probably won't be made. The M1A, IMO, is a handier and more easily customized hunting rig than a full-sized Garand, and still offers plenty of pop...But in their original form, I'm still partial to the Garand...0 -
Reboring and rerifling corroded out M-1 Garand barrels to 35 Whalen may be a good way to salvage those old barrels if the rest of the rifle holds up.
The 8mm-06 may make more sense, giving higher velocities with a wider range of bullet weights.
A 150 gr bullet can safely be pushed at 3000fps.
Additionally, less metal is removed from a thin barrel.0 -
Didn't McCann Industries make Garands in all sorts of calibers, even 458 Win Mag? I'd guess they'd have put out 35 caliber barrels. 0 -
I don't see an issue with it. The M1 ACTION is strong enough, the op rod is the only weak point. Using an adjustatble gas port would be a must but otherwise would be kind of neat. 0 -
I don't see why the op rod would be in for a harder time. I think it would be worse if you switched to 25-06 than 35 Whelen.
There's more room inside the barrel! the gas is going to expand more before it reaches the port.
EDIT TO NOT USE UP REPLIES: the 35 uses the 30-06 as a parent case and the 9.3 is also a Mauser case which is 1mm shorter than an '06, so unless you figure those calibers require a much higher loading density, then it's about the same charge size. And you don't save raw material by carving away more of a billet!!![:I]
Plus you could leave the gas port undersize and ream it out a bit if it didn't work.
Plus, it says "Match Barrel finished, for M1-Garand, Original- and Match contour" so I guess the guys who make the really good match barrels have it figured for strong enough![:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by SoreShoulder
I don't see why the op rod would be in for a harder time. I think it would be if you switched to 25-06 than 35 Whelen.
There's more room inside the barrel! the gas is going to expand more before it reaches the port.
Plus you could leave it undersize and ream it out a bit if it didn't work.
An observation, if I may:
Yes, more room. And more powder! One may cancel the other out. Just a thought.
Now reaming the M1 barrel..wartime production design was to achieve the functionality they wanted at Springfield with the minimum of raw material useage per unit! What I mean is, I won't be 'thinning out' any barrel that was taken to the minimum* by the folks at Springfield, and still maintain [heat warp] avoidance! I'd not touch it, for the reasons stated above.
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"And you don't save raw material by carving away more of a billet!!!
True. But, if I were going to design a run of 250k, or millions of rifles, and needed to stretch raw-material useage to the limit (read: wartime), I'd design it so that it used minimum raw material to begin with. The billet would have been at minima (just enough to ensure reliability over the proposed service life).
That's why I wouldn't thin out an M1 barrel by boring to a larger caliber. Best again, Joe
*barrel has a percentage of extra bulk built in for heat-warp avoidance. Alteration will be lowering/removing said percentage0 -
Idaho G,
First and foremost, you probably did see an advertisement for this barrel. As a matter of fact, Lothar Walther USA is offering barrels for the Garand which can be chambered for several cartridges:
http://www.lothar-walther.de/441.php
I'm sure you can contact Woody Woodall for a better assessment of these barrels and their uses. Woody is one of the best engineers that I can name in the firearms industry. He is a wealth of knowledge.
The idea originally came through a company named McCann Industries as noted in a post above. These barrels were new manufacture specifically for the cartridges offered by this company. Now that both the father and son have passed, the company is owned and operated by the son's wife who no longer offers this as a product.
Nowhere is there any suggestion of using original barrels for this modification so all the postulating about the drawbacks and problems is for naught.
Best.
ADDED:
This is the contact information for LW USA:
Lothar Walther Precision Tools, Inc.
3425 Hutchinson Rd.
Cumming, GA 30040
Phone: 770-889-9998
Fax: 770-889-4919
E-Mail:
lotharwalther@ mindspring.com
Best.0 -
Thanks everyone, especially NONONSENSE. I just bought a Garand with a worn out corroded barrel, and trying to find a newly manufactured barrel. Thanks! 0
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