Revision of the 2nd Amend. & Article V Convention
See your state enforce the Constitution. Submit a proposed ballot intiative providing opportunity for voters to direct their legislators to call upon congress to convene an article V convention.
It is your constitutional right and when 2/3 of the states legislatures call for one, congress has a constitutional duty to convene states delegates. Long ago they neglected their duty under law. Your state is the enforcer.
I propose these amendments to the 1st and the 2nd. They are very comprehensive to the issues artificially used to justify gun control.
REV. Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall be first accessible for the unity of the people with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.
EXISTING:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
REV. Amendment II
A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.
EXISTING:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Here is the proposed intiative text submitted in California.
It is your constitutional right and when 2/3 of the states legislatures call for one, congress has a constitutional duty to convene states delegates. Long ago they neglected their duty under law. Your state is the enforcer.
I propose these amendments to the 1st and the 2nd. They are very comprehensive to the issues artificially used to justify gun control.
REV. Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall be first accessible for the unity of the people with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.
EXISTING:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
REV. Amendment II
A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.
EXISTING:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Here is the proposed intiative text submitted in California.
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quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
So who did force the king and barons to sign?
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
And now will you explain to me how an 'Oblisk' affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments?
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.0 -
quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
quote:Originally posted by buffaloboWhat you propose is dangerous, uneccesary and likely to be subverted. Those citizens who would participate will see that what you propose is not the solution and could lead to worse situation.
That fear mongering serves the infiltrators and deprives us of formally examining our principles as a nation, seeing that our constitution serves the principles.
quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
fighter, how will your changes enforce the constitution? I don't think you will have much luck with support for the con-con.
Perhaps the environment of a convention is not understood. The existing federal government simply calls for it and then recognizes its authority to present the states interests through amendments. The fed has nothing to do with the creation or ratification of amendments. Ratification may be done by 38 states with 34 required to invoke the duty of congress to call a convention.
The laws are made under the constitution. Some will be changed those changes will drastically effect situations and effect a full and repsected return of civil rights and lawful government.0 -
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogSo who did force the king and barons to sign?
The Free Men did. Their story is removed from history because they were heretics. They are mentioned in the Magna Carta because they wouldn't stop killing the elites knights and soldiers unless they were at least mentioned.
They shut down the forest roads and burned baronages driving the barons into stone fortifications. The closest thing to their story in history is "Robinhood". It was a story written to appease the aging Chieftans who fought for freedom only to find that no one knew how it was won 15 years later. The earliest version we have is perhaps the 5th version. Slowly the truth of the heresy and military victories was removed and we have the fantasy tale you now know.
quote:And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogAnd now will you explain to me how an 'Oblisk' affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments?
I never said it did. Do you want to know what it means relating to the infiltrators who are working to take your gun?
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogNow . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
My last post explains how the 2nd amendment right of keeping and bearing arms is protected, dynamically. If the congress refuses to call a convention, obviously unified with the infiltration, either criminal neglect, malfeasance or treason is shown and it is shown in conspiracy. The states can choose to enforce federal law in that situation.
Ever wonder why a representative has to live in the territory of their Constituency?0 -
FF,
Perhaps much is actually understood about the Constitution and the mechanics of a con-con by those who are engaged with you on this thread...
Perhaps there is a 'common denominator' here who has proposed ridiculous and abrogating changes to Amendment I and Amendment II...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' continually hints at some 'secret' knowledge and infers that he has a 'special grasp' on matters of the Constitution and how to 'enforce' it...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' fails to see that which is crystal-clear to some of the 'rubes and morons' (my sarcastic characterization) who have engaged him on this thread, that being that his postings read like something written by a disturbed mind.
Perhaps it is crystal-clear to the 'rubes and morons' that the proposed Amendment I change provides power to government that does not now legitimately exist and that the 'common denominator's' proposed change to Amendment II codifies government authority to infringe on that which is now expressly prohibited.
Perhaps...
Of course, if the 'rubes and morons' who are engaged here would only grasp and understand the Magna Carta, who forced its signing and why the 'oblisk' (I expect that you meant to type 'obelisk') that is the Washington Monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument, then their minds would be healthy and what is now seen as ridiculous, rambling and damaging to the text of the BOR and erosive to individual liberty, would swim into focus and all would be clear.
Just for clarity (much needed, it seems) I for one am cognizant of behind the scenes motives and powers at work at the time of our founding, throughout our history and currently continuing.
While we may disagree with what that power is and the ultimate purpose of it, the fact remains that your posts resemble those of a disturbed man, your proposed amendment-changes are opposite to the principles of our founding and would be destructive of the textual limitations on government that currently exist and factually, as I see it, you and your proposals exemplify the hazards of a con-con.
I believe that the method of correction is to understand and stand firm on the Constitution, as is, and to employ nullification and the aggressive and consistent exercise of all out enumerated rights, but with emphasis on aggressive exercise of Amendment IX and Amendment X, via the people and the states.
Barring success at that, 'liberties teeth' will be required to right the wrongs, as was always a potential and which was one of the primary reasons that Amendment II was so enumerated.
That is all and I am done here and with you.
Have a good day and a healthy and happy life, freedomfighter.0 -
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
This 'gotcha' form of discussion you use, freedomfighter is tedious. Please cut to the chase.
If you are simply referring to the evils of Freemasonry, I am bored. If you have come up with a new and improved conspiracy, please enlighten me. Please, though, if you are interested in a response, dispense with the insipid secrecy you employ in your posts and just state what it is that you mean.
On the other hand, I guess I can see where combating secrecy with secrecy dovetails rather nicely with your 'improving freedom through restriction' stance.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
This 'gotcha' form of discussion you use, freedomfighter is tedious. Please cut to the chase.
It's important to realize that I've done that and if you knew more you wouldn't say that that because know that I'm limiting cognitive dissonance in the mind of the lurker. Even lurkers care about the constitution, they also have a vote and a state and If they are shocked by what they read, they won't continue to learn what they need to in order to realize an Article V convention is our last and only chance to preserve the nation. Notice that none of my detractors here have responded when asked, "How will you enforce the Constitution?"
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf you are simply referring to the evils of Freemasonry, I am bored.
There you go using a label, a cognitive distortion, a generalization, a minimalization. Understanding doesn't work with that. How simple is your mind? Maybe you get the point.
I've mentioned the unconscious mind repeatedly and secrecy. The 2 go together with Masonry and the perception of evil you speak of indicates you don't understand but act as if you do and are bored. Sure, there is some dark, nasty stuff that has taken over the order, but to attempt to generalize that would halfway throw out all that you admire in the constitution, because it was written mostly by Masons.
In fact, they go all the way back to the Magna Carta and far before. Since all but 2 presidents were Masons, and that is not common knowledge, understanding them can make a huge difference in our ability to act.
It is not simple and the mind is not simple.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf you have come up with a new and improved conspiracy, please enlighten me.
The Masonic order was first infiltrated by what you term evil, then through the Order the government was infiltrated. All the un constitutional acts you can list are created by that unconscious control over people influenced by the original conspiracy advanced through American ignorance and indulgence invoked by media dominated by the dark aspects that invaded the Order.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusPlease, though, if you are interested in a response, dispense with the insipid secrecy you employ in your posts and just state what it is that you mean.
On the other hand, I guess I can see where combating secrecy with secrecy dovetails rather nicely with your 'improving freedom through restriction' stance.
I'm not about using secrecy I'm about understanding it. Shocking people with too much truth works against understanding. In the same tone as your last sentence, "Is that what you are trying to get me to do?"0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
FF,
Perhaps much is actually understood about the Constitution and the mechanics of a con-con by those who are engaged with you on this thread...
Perhaps there is a 'common denominator' here who has proposed ridiculous and abrogating changes to Amendment I and Amendment II...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' continually hints at some 'secret' knowledge and infers that he has a 'special grasp' on matters of the Constitution and how to 'enforce' it...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' fails to see that which is crystal-clear to some of the 'rubes and morons' (my sarcastic characterization) who have engaged him on this thread, that being that his postings read like something written by a disturbed mind.
Perhaps it is crystal-clear to the 'rubes and morons' that the proposed Amendment I change provides power to government that does not now legitimately exist and that the
Since you have never commented upon the principles preceding "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness of the proposed amendment revision, "forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love", it is safe to assume you are not interested in any of it and prefer that no one do anything and allow the gun controllers to take our guns. You like things the way they are and have not provided any method of enforcing the 2nd amendment so have nullified your position.0 -
Wasn't that easy, freedomfighter?
You would have saved the both of us a lot of time by simply being up-front in the beginning.
I had hoped you were bringing something new to the table, but alas you are just re-framing a tired discussion.
John Adams despaired at the dumbing down and malaise of the American population upon his return from the court of St. James in 1788. He, one of a small group of non-masons we count as founders wielded significant influence not only on the Declaration of Independence, but also in his advocacy of implementing the Constitution. His heart, by most accounts, was pure and his influence can obviously still be seen today. The all-seeing eye must have been a little less than all-seeing.
Secret Societies have their place in American Mythology, and there are nuggets of truth in most of these conspiracy theories. There is nothing in your proposed Amendment Changes that allow for the exposure of the truth as you state. Rather, logic tells us that empowering the Congress to regulate the media, corporations and the citizenry can only, IMO, re-enforce the control you fear is exercised currently by these societies.
A little perspective for any who are still interested.
http://watch.pair.com/mason.html
From the link:
Based on this new information, which has been withheld from the Gentile world, it becomes apparent that the Great Seal of the United States reveals in a symbolic code the quest of the Zionist Jews to return to and conquer the Holy Land which God originally gave them, but which they forfeited through their rejection of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Great Seal reveals that they are using the United States of America and to reestablish the kingdom of Israel from which their Antichrist, a descendant of King Solomon, will rule the world.
It truly is most dire.
All the best,
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Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
But you have no way to enforce the constitution and do not want Americans to unify for amendment, nice. And you present yourself as being here for gun rights?
Uh, consider the gun controllers LOVE you for empowering their strategy of using mental illness as a reason to enact gun control.
The purpose of your ridicule is exposed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Wasn't that easy, freedomfighter?
You would have saved the both of us a lot of time by simply being up-front in the beginning.
I had hoped you were bringing something new to the table, but alas you are just re-framing a tired discussion.
No, explaining factors that show how the infiltration of the US government has achieved. The infiltrators would like people to think that the discussion was "tired". Those cognitive distortions really work against you when you are not working for the higher human purpose of the natural law of the constitution, like the greater meaning of free speech. forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
You would imply that we do not deserve such things while you are praised by lt496 in a collusive fashion using atempts at ridicule after both of you have failed repeatedly to state a method by which to enforce the constitution.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusJohn Adams despaired at the dumbing down and malaise of the American population upon his return from the court of St. James in 1788. He, one of a small group of non-masons we count as founders wielded significant influence not only on the Declaration of Independence, but also in his advocacy of implementing the Constitution. His heart, by most accounts, was pure and his influence can obviously still be seen today. The all-seeing eye must have been a little less than all-seeing.
Secret Societies have their place in American Mythology, and there are nuggets of truth in most of these conspiracy theories. There is nothing in your proposed Amendment Changes that allow for the exposure of the truth as you state.
When people stand for their right to have the best medical care, including mental health care, and having all of their rights intact, they will also be able to understand the unconscious mind which is used by occult factions. Therein is exposed their METHODS of secrecy. Even better in my evaluation.
Can you consider you are being apart of the deprival of appropriate mental health care alleviating tremendous suffering, creating greater safety and protecting gun rights by opposing amendment of the 2nd? Why can't you engage the obvious benefits of the most positive human traits supporting the higher principals of the constitution; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as the greater meaning of free speech proposed in the revised 1st amendment? I mean are you aware of the moral decay children and families are experiencing?
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusThis right here exposes the truth.
[bA well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed in the absence of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles of, and defense of this Constitution.
Which might be exactly why there is no interest in it. The truth is we do not know everything about the mind but you would pretend we do. Basically the truth cannot be stated or heard in a fair forum. People will use cognitive distortions to attempt to minimize it. Labels like "myth".
Don, it is about HYPNOSIS, working directly with the unconscious mind. A mental state called "somnambulism", See the first footnote below the line.
And the fact that hypnotized people deny being hypnotized.
These are facts Don and they are being used to violate the constitution.
The occult factions do that with their children and unconsciously structure their allegiance and interactions. Conspiracies happen to work best that way.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus Rather, logic tells us that empowering the Congress to regulate the media, corporations and the citizenry can only, IMO, re-enforce the control you fear is exercised currently by these societies.
Big distortion there Don. Read again.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall be first accessible for the unity of the people with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; "forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.
It simply deals with the hijacking of the internet, currently the only real way to bring meaning to free speech that is significant.
DO you remember the usenet Don?[/b]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus A little perspective for any who are still interested.
http://watch.pair.com/mason.html
From the link:
Based on this new information, which has been withheld from the Gentile world, it becomes apparent that the Great Seal of the United States reveals in a symbolic code the quest of the Zionist Jews to return to and conquer the Holy Land which God originally gave them, but which they forfeited through their rejection of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Great Seal reveals that they are using the United States of America and to reestablish the kingdom of Israel from which their Antichrist, a descendant of King Solomon, will rule the world.
It truly is most dire.
All the best,
Don
I agree, most dire. Accordingly, logically, if that is your true sentiment, you will use facts and evidence reasonably and be accountable.
Interesting how the word "somnambulism" and "hypnosis" don't appear on the page of your link about Masons.0 -
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
But you have no way to enforce the constitution and do not want Americans to unify for amendment, nice. And you present yourself as being here for gun rights?
Uh, consider the gun controllers LOVE you for empowering their strategy of using mental illness as a reason to enact gun control.
The purpose of your ridicule is exposed.
No, but the purpose of your proposal is ridiculous.
As it stands now, they have to ignore the law of the land to push the agenda. You would just freely give them that authority. Fool. Go peddle your poo at democrat underground. You should receive a warm welcome there.
P.S. The enforcement tool exists. The problem is the lack of will by you, me, and every other useless American to do it. Your way is the opposite of what you claim. I would ask what you have to gain by such idiotic efforts, but frankly I don't care. Just go away.0 -
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