Reboring Garand barrels (cont)
Reboring Garand barrels to 8mm should make good use of the many thousands of beat barrels as minimum naterial need be removed to clean up the .308 bores.
The 8mm-06 is a good caliber albeit a wildcat.
As all other machining (and headspacing) already exists, conversion costs should be very reasonable.
Furthermore, Standard clips can be used.
As to increasing barrel weight for larger calibers, the Garand is plenty heavy as it is.
A walk to the range is a lot different than humping it in the field.
The 8mm-06 is a good caliber albeit a wildcat.
As all other machining (and headspacing) already exists, conversion costs should be very reasonable.
Furthermore, Standard clips can be used.
As to increasing barrel weight for larger calibers, the Garand is plenty heavy as it is.
A walk to the range is a lot different than humping it in the field.
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Yes it would work. However to get the barrel rebored would be just about as much as buying a new 30 cal. Also not many folks want to shoot the 8mm. Lastly the Garand is based on a 150 grain bullet (as I recall) and if you get to heavy you are going to batter the receiver. 0 -
By going to an 8mm-06 you have to watch that the load strength doesn't exceed what the 30-06 load of WWII was. Bullet weight won't hurt your rifle. You can load too hot for the Grarand with any of the calibers offered in it, and still be within "safe limits" of the 30-06. You want to use a faster powder to make sure you don't get too much pressure at the port. That's what protects your op-rod. Generally though, when you move up in bullet diameter, you move up in powder speed as well. 4895 is about the slowest powder you would want to use. 0 -
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Yes it would work. However to get the barrel rebored would be just about as much as buying a new 30 cal. Also not many folks want to shoot the 8mm. Lastly the Garand is based on a 150 grain bullet (as I recall) and if you get to heavy you are going to batter the receiver.
You could be right about the 8mm, and people not wanting to shoot it, but I know a guy here in NY that has two of them in his stable(both Garands). The 338 diameter rebore would be more versatile too.
In either case, it is NOT bullet weight that batters the rifle reciever. That battering can be done just as well with the 150 grain bullets, or a 125 grain, 30 cal bullet. It is the higher pressure, and longer dwell times that batter the reciever, and op rod. Those higher than normal pressures, and long dwell times are achieved in high performance hunting ammo, and the use of slow burning, double based powder's. That is why commercial 308 Winchester, should not be shot in the M1A, and these high performance loads should not be shot in the Garand.
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I shot a Garand re-barreled in 8x57 For many years. (Kreiger Bbl and surplus ammo was cheap) Never had any problem at all. Loads ranged from Canadian 150's to Portuguese 196's, all fed and shot just fine. (no bent op rods) I might even still have that Bbl. 0 -
The Garand used both the 150 gr M1 and 173 gr M2 ball interchangeably.
However, the M1 ball was specified for combat when I was in.
I've seen thousands of M1 Garands and occasionally one had a ringed bore from snow or mud but never saw one blown up.
The 150, 170 and 175 grain 8mm bullet at the same pressure levels as the 30-06 will give greater velocities because of lower sectional densities than the 30 cal bullet.
As to reaming and rerifling corroded barrels, it should take a half minute on a button rifling machine.
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OK V35 when you get your button rifleing machine going we can all send them to you for $20.00. My guy charges $250.00, but then again I have had this type of work done for me. I'm not just sitting here talking about it. Last I bought a match Garand barrel it was about $200.00 but you can probably get them for us for free. Bullet weight doesn't effect breach face recoil, You are right, let me show you the 50-110 on a 44 Stevens. Maybe we need a forum for Real Live Gunsmiths who actually have experience and don't sit around fantisizing on the computer. 0 -
Senior member or not you seem to have a real problem with your attitude, and I've seen nothing you've written in this post that gives me any indication you know jack about 'smithing yourself, after all you refer to having "your guy" do the work for you like your a da__ slave-owner or some other arrogant bastar_. you asked questions and made statements and some replied, disagree if you will, but lose the attitude of superiority, you have NONE! 0 -
This is very simple, either you know the answer or you don't. Just because you want to be seen in print and offer a bunch of unsupported opinions which are imperically untrue does not make that opinion valid. My issue with Ask The Experts" is that people want an Answer not an Opinion. They do not want to be confused by people who think they are clever. If you "Think" that I have mispoken or am incorrect be prepared to back it up with imperical evidence, not nonsence and bluster. Your "opinion" is as valid as all the others. If you are interested in a list of professionals who perform the various services I stated I will be glad to provide it to you. If you want your buddy to rifle your gun in his garage and call it good have at it. Just don't pretend you are something you are not. The amount of garbage you see at every gun show that all the self proclaimed experts worked or consulted on is staggering. Most of it now junk and unfixable. So thanks for "your" opinion. Let us know where we can send "you" our stuff to work on cheap. 0 -
By the way "my guy" is a guy who does it for a living, his price is $125.00 for a handgun and 250,00 for a rifle barrel with about a 6 month turn around. But 20.00 in the garage with immediate turn around, who am I to argue. 0 -
In the '80's I needed a production run of pistol barrels and had a personal tour of the Wilson plant in Connecticut and a shop run by the former owner of High Standard who was doing 1911 barrels and Enfield conversions.
Deep hole drilling went faster than drilling wood and reaming and rifling went faster than you can speak it.
Drilling and rifling in Old Williamsburg,Va may have gone as fast as a CNC can cut a M-1 barrel but boring and rifling in modern times
go in a fraction of the time it takes to machine the features in an M-1 barrel.
If someone is set up to ream and button rifle used M-1 barrels, they should be VERY cheap.
Again, 8mm-06 will shoot similar bullets to the 06 and at better velocities than .33 or .35 cal. conversions. Check your reloading books.
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quote:Originally posted by SP45
OK V35 when you get your button rifleing machine going we can all send them to you for $20.00. My guy charges $250.00, but then again I have had this type of work done for me. I'm not just sitting here talking about it. Last I bought a match Garand barrel it was about $200.00 but you can probably get them for us for free. Bullet weight doesn't effect breach face recoil, You are right, let me show you the 50-110 on a 44 Stevens. Maybe we need a forum for Real Live Gunsmiths who actually have experience and don't sit around fantisizing on the computer.
SP45,
I do suggest that you take some of your own advice, since you state that you have "your guy" do stuff like this for you. Most gun shops do not have a rifling machine sitting around, so I do believe that the 6 month turn around time, is for having it sent out, and that the price reflects this. As a matter of fact I am sure of it, as I have sent things out to have them rebored. Most shops that do have a rifling machine sitting around, usually have several, and are barrel maker's, who also do gunsmith work.
Lastly, I have mauled thru some of your previous postings, and they all seem to have your same BS attitude. So, untill you are competant enough to do your own work, it would be my suggestion that you loose the attitude, and quit trolling the ATE forum looking for reasons to make yourself look even more incompetant. Trust me, you are not the first of this type we have seen.
Also, by the way, bullet weight is not the limiting factor of how much FORCE, or THRUST is applied to the breech face. Pressure, and the amount of surface area of the cartridge case head in contact with the breech face are the controlling factors. That is why the velocities drop off for heavier bullet weights, for any given powder, so to keep the pressure within the limits. Does not matter if it is a 44 Stevens or a 50-110. Yes one has more thrus than the other, but there is nothing that says you cannot chamber a rifle that will handle a 50 BMG for a 22 LR either.
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