Can anyone tell me which bayonets these are?

March 04, 2011 17:13

I have unearthed two bayonets that I have no idea what they were used on, how old they may be and what model they are. One has absolutely no markings. The other has IIQ and some other symbols I can make out and has a black metal sheath. I have some pics posted on photobucket if anyone could take a moment and look at. Thanks for any info anyone can give me on these.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee363/hunterhound15/IMG_3548.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee363/hunterhound15/IMG_3547.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee363/hunterhound15/IMG_3546.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee363/hunterhound15/IMG_3545.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee363/hunterhound15/IMG_3544.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee363/hunterhound15/IMG_3543.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee363/hunterhound15/IMG_3542.jpg

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Henry0Reilly

March 04, 2011 18:37
The one without markings is for an SKS. My guess is the other is a for a Mauser but I don't know for sure.

quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
The Chinese made two types of cruciform, "pig sticker" bayonets. The long one for the SKS is the most common, as Henry noted. They also made a shorter one for their AK 47's. If you can give us the length of the bayonet, it can be identified.

I never knew that any AK's had the folding cruciform bayonets.
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lcdrdanr

March 04, 2011 18:44
Definitely an SKS on the second one, the first one for some reason I want to say is a Siamese Mauser or possibly Turkish , don't know why. The screw on the top of the muzzle ring is unusual and indicates a need for adjustment of the ring which leads one to believe a lot of tolerance in the rifle barrel, not a normal situation for a Mauser.

Measure the muzzle ring on the first one and that will give an idea of what rifle it fit on. The scabbard would have been carried in a frog similar to the German style but since most of these bayonets were made by German firms that may not be a clue.

Dan R
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rufe-snow

March 04, 2011 18:45
The Chinese made two types of cruciform, "pig sticker" bayonets. The long one for the SKS is the most common, as Henry noted. They also made a shorter one for their AK 47's. If you can give us the length of the bayonet, it can be identified.

EDIT #1, Photo I got off the net, of the Chinese AK with
integral folding bayonet.

EDIT #2, The folding bayonet with the 11 3/4 length is the common one for the Chinese SKS. Seen a bunch over the years for sale at flee markets and various second hand stores, etc. Doubt seriously if it's any kind of a big buck item. You might try the various on-line auctions to see what they are actually selling for now.
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Hunterhound15

March 05, 2011 03:15
The ring on the one with a handle/scabbard is @ 11/16 in or 17mm. The blade is 9 1/8 in long and the handle measures 4 10/16 to the barrel ring.

The other one with no markings has a blade length of @ 11 3/4 in and the ring is 9/16 in or 14mm.

That thing that looks like an adjustment screw on the barrel ring is actually just some sort of rivet, it has no means of loosening/tightening.

How can I find out a value for these?
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Henry0Reilly

March 05, 2011 06:06
quote:Originally posted by Hunterhound15

How can I find out a value for these?

The SKS bayonets are often found for less than $10, there are several listed on the auction here.

If the other is a Mauser bayonet my guess would be $30 to $75 but I really don't know.

There is a forum dedicated to Mausers that might be more helpful. You can find the address with a www.dogpile.com search using the terms Mauser Central (this forum would automatically block out the link as "competition")
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lcdrdanr

March 05, 2011 06:32
Based on a limited research and knowledge; and without examining the piece, I'm gonna tentatively identify the first bayonet as a Steyr-Mannlicher M1886 or M1888 as issued from either Austria or Czechoslavakia. The Austrian usually is found with an auxiliary sight on top of the muzzle ring above the riven where the Czech does not.
The handle shape, length, and configuration leads me to this although the blade length should be 9-3/4". Sharpening can shorten the blade so this isn't definitive. Markings are probably a unit mark issue rather than a manufacturer. Scabbards were not normally stored with the blades so they weren't serialized or if so would not match the bayonet.
Value: Dunno, someone who needs one would probably pay upwards of $50.00 though.

Dan R
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givette

March 05, 2011 07:04
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TRAP55

March 05, 2011 08:38
Knife bayonet for use on the 8 mm. M1888 Mannlicher straight-pull rifles that Siam obtained from Austria.
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