What is it? Whats it worth?
It's an Arisaka, but not a carbine, has 24 as top distance on the flip up site, original sling, correct bayonet but not matching manufacturers, rifle has crysanthemum, serial # is 9 46 19 with stacked canonballs, bayonet has 8 in a circle, has bullet hole in fore stock, supposedly the killing shot.
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Looks like a type-99 Arisaka W/Bayonet , and a fine specimen at that . I think the original Sling was Cotton but I'm not sure about that . It should have high value as a Military collectable . Maybe my Father put that bullet hole in that stock , he was a 3rd Div Marine in the Pacific for the last 2.5 years of WWII. Cool gun . Is it 6.5 or 7.7 Cal . 0 -
I have no idea about the caliber, I don't suppose it says what cal it is on it somewhere? It has some jap characters on it but I have no clue what they say. My dad says it belonged to my uncle, who was in Korea, not WWII, and that my uncle fired the shot, but he was in transportation so I don't believe any of it. Bottom line it could have been your dad that fired the shot, wouldn't that be interesting?
I spent some time in the pacific myself, Guam, P.I., Japan, and the Indian Ocean, Australia, Diego Garcia, and the Persian Gulf, during Desert Shield/Storm.
Thanks for the info.
quote:Originally posted by oneoldsap
Looks like a type-99 Arisaka W/Bayonet , and a fine specimen at that . I think the original Sling was Cotton but I'm not sure about that . It should have high value as a Military collectable . Maybe my Father put that bullet hole in that stock , he was a 3rd Div Marine in the Pacific for the last 2.5 years of WWII. Cool gun . Is it 6.5 or 7.7 Cal .0 -
It's a Type 38 (T-38) Carbine. 6.5 Jap caliber unless it's been altered. Nagoya Arsenal. Great little rifles. Not as common as the T-38 long or the T-99. 0 -
onegunn.....looks like a nice Type 38 carbine. "Stacked cannonball" means that it was made at Kokura, with the bayonet made at Nagoya. The serial number puts it about in the middle range of Serial 1 production. Looks like you have it all except the cleaning rod and the dust cover (which the Japanese soldiers usually ditched as they made a lot of noise). That you have the sling is a real plus and adds to the value as those are getting harder and harder to find. That is has its mum usually means that it was a combat capture and not a surrendered rifle as most of those had the mum defaced. As one post has said, these are neat little rifles, rarer than the Type 38 rifle and Type 99's. Some of these rifles outfitted the ChiCom's in Korea so that story could be true. Anyway, nice looking rifle[^] 0 -
This is no carbine at 50 1/2" long, not including the bayonet. What is the T-38 long? What size bullet (9,32,38) is about 6.5mm? That would help narrow it down. The flip up sight goes to 24, most Arisaka's I've seen don't go that high.
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
It's a Type 38 (T-38) Carbine. 6.5 Jap caliber unless it's been altered. Nagoya Arsenal. Great little rifles. Not as common as the T-38 long or the T-99.0 -
It does have a cloth sling, not leather. It's just dirty with the blood, sweat and tears of a soldier.
quote:Originally posted by oneoldsap
Looks like a type-99 Arisaka W/Bayonet , and a fine specimen at that . I think the original Sling was Cotton but I'm not sure about that . It should have high value as a Military collectable . Maybe my Father put that bullet hole in that stock , he was a 3rd Div Marine in the Pacific for the last 2.5 years of WWII. Cool gun . Is it 6.5 or 7.7 Cal .0 -
It looks like a Carbine in the pics. But pics can be deceiving. The T-38 "Long" rifle was the main Japanese battle rifle from 1905 to 1939/40. When the T-99 replaced it. With 30+ years production, it is the most common Arisaka. There were 2 other variations based on the T-38 action. The T-38 carbine, which was just a shorter version w19" barrel. And the T-44, which was also a carbine made for Cavalry use. Use this link to decipher the markings.
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html
The 6.5MM is about .25 caliber. In fact the Marines going into Guadalcanal were told they would be facing .25 caliber weapons. Which they mistook for meaning the rather puny pistol round. And which gave them as false sense of security. They were very disheartened to learn differently. The 6.5 Jap round is very effective.0 -
quote:Originally posted by onegunn
This is no carbine at 50 1/2" long, not including the bayonet. What is the T-38 long? What size bullet (9,32,38) is about 6.5mm? That would help narrow it down. The flip up sight goes to 24, most Arisaka's I've seen don't go that high.
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
It's a Type 38 (T-38) Carbine. 6.5 Jap caliber unless it's been altered. Nagoya Arsenal. Great little rifles. Not as common as the T-38 long or the T-99.
onegunn...the barrel alone on a T38 Rifle should be 31 1/4" long and the carbine's complete overall length of 38" so your rifle must be....a Type 38 rifle and not a carbine. Hard to tell from the photo. The rifle is much more common as millions of them were made. most at Kokura. The flip slight is correct and in meters (2400!). The Japanese 6.5mm is a potent little round that many a GI brought back after the war, sporterized and turned into nice little deer rifles. That you have the correct cloth sling is good as most of them rotted in the jungle heat...heck, even repro today of that sling go for $50 or so. You ask for value....I would say $100 for bayonet, $150 for sling, $350 for rifle as it has correct mum and is a battlefield weapon. If it was mine, with the history in the family, I wouldn't let it go for less than $650 or so. But know that the market is down now but a collector might be interested in your rifle. Anyway, hope this helps.0 -
Gary, Thank you, very interesting. More valuable then I thought, but I understand the market is down. I can understand their dismay when they saw their comrades falling from them little bullets.
I think I'll put it on gunbroker and see if anybodys interested.
I'm slowly getting rid of my gun collection, down to a few essential weapons, say 10 or so. I'll probably be putting them up for the forums opinions.
Again, many thanks for the info and values.
onegunn...the barrel alone on a T38 Rifle should be 31 1/4" long and the carbine's complete overall length of 38" so your rifle must be....a Type 38 rifle and not a carbine. Hard to tell from the photo. The rifle is much more common as millions of them were made. most at Kokura. The flip slight is correct and in meters (2400!). The Japanese 6.5mm is a potent little round that many a GI brought back after the war, sporterized and turned into nice little deer rifles. That you have the correct cloth sling is good as most of them rotted in the jungle heat...heck, even repro today of that sling go for $50 or so. You ask for value....I would say $100 for bayonet, $150 for sling, $350 for rifle as it has correct mum and is a battlefield weapon. If it was mine, with the history in the family, I wouldn't let it go for less than $650 or so. But know that the market is down now but a collector might be interested in your rifle. Anyway, hope this helps.
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Fatstrat, Now that's the website to look at. Pre WWII, it must have been a great battle rifle. Like a 1903, but not as good.
It's definately a type 38, written 38 type. It has a character in front of the serial number that is the series and that is 25. Kokura manufacture, close to the end of Type 38's from Kokura. The bayonet is a type 30 hooked quillon manuf. Nagoya.
Excellant site, Thanks again. I think I know everything except who carried it.
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
It looks like a Carbine in the pics. But pics can be deceiving. The T-38 "Long" rifle was the main Japanese battle rifle from 1905 to 1939/40. When the T-99 replaced it. With 30+ years production, it is the most common Arisaka. There were 2 other variations based on the T-38 action. The T-38 carbine, which was just a shorter version w19" barrel. And the T-44, which was also a carbine made for Cavalry use. Use this link to decipher the markings.
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html
The 6.5MM is about .25 caliber. In fact the Marines going into Guadalcanal were told they would be facing .25 caliber weapons. Which they mistook for meaning the rather puny pistol round. And which gave them as false sense of security. They were very disheartened to learn differently. The 6.5 Jap round is very effective.0
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