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kimi
I gave Turnbull credit where I see he deserves it and that is without a doubt, IMO, his case hardened patterns are the best in the business when it comes to matching up with that of Winchester. However, after re-reading what I had posted, I can see where the "pattern issue" was not in total agreement with what O-C stated, thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify what I meant to say to begin with. All in all, O-C, and most people I know praise Turnbull's work for a great many reasons.
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  • Bert H.
    Hello Kimi,

    I disagree that Turnbull's case colors "match up" with original Winchester work. Turnbull over polishes everthing he touches, and the case colors end up way to deep and glossy. I can spot a Turnbull restoration from 3-aisles away at any gun show.

    Your friend,
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  • tsr1965
    Hi kimi,

    Hope this finds you well.

    I too love the work put out by doug Turnbull's shop. Like I commented on in the previous topic, the shop is local, and I have visited several times. It is an absolute honor to be able rub shoulders with a quality shop. I actually started visiting when I was a kid to his father's shop...Creekside Gunshop. It was the largest shop in New York state. Unfortunately, in the days of big litigation, that run rampid from liberal politicians, the shop closed, but Doug picked up the banner, and actually raised the bar a bit.

    Turnbull is one of the foremost recognized restoration shops in the world. However, like Bert H suggests, he goes beyond the mark in his restorations. The restored unit should look like a brand new gun that is 100 years old, not a brand new gun with a little twist of todays technological advances(bright red and blues in the case hardening). That is not saying that the work the shop puts out is not an elegant, beautiful working piece of art. most manufactures out there in todays world(Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Cooper, and a few others), use Turnbull's shop for their re-issues, or kickback to the old models.

    I was not disagreeing that Turnbull does great work, but there are better shops out there, that can more closely duplicate the Winchester, or Colt pattern's and colors. However, it might not be that Turnbull can't do it, but that he chooses not to. That can be advantageous, when someone tries to pass off your work as the firearm in question being all original, like we seen on a topic here very recently with a couple early 1911's.

    Kimi, all is well on my end, I did not mean to upset the apple cart. If there are any issues you wish to talk about, feel free to drop me an e-mail.
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Hello Kimi,

    I disagree that Turnbull's case colors "match up" with original Winchester work. Turnbull over polishes everthing he touches, and the case colors end up way to deep and glossy. I can spot a Turnbull restoration from 3-aisles away at any gun show.

    Your friend,



    [8D]
    I understand what you have said Bert, but I think that you might not understand what I have meant to convey. I said that his "patterns" match up "better" with Winchester "patterns" than any other person in the case-hardening business that I know about. I did not mention the "color" aspect of his work, because you and I have always been in agreement on this particular point regarding Turnbull's work.

    Bert, surely, you must admit that Turnbull is a master of the first order on many, not all, but many of the "various shapes" and the "location" of them on the receivers that he completes. I also believe that were his colors toned down that he would be as close as anyone could possibly be to matching the correct shade of color to the basic shapes of Winchester case hardened patterns. He is most especially good at matching these patterns on the model 1890...so much so that I don't know of anyone who is even close to him on this subject, although some people might be closing the gap.

    Hey, Bert, when are we going to make the Pulallup show?!
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
    Hi kimi,

    Hope this finds you well.

    I too love the work put out by doug Turnbull's shop. Like I commented on in the previous topic, the shop is local, and I have visited several times. It is an absolute honor to be able rub shoulders with a quality shop. I actually started visiting when I was a kid to his father's shop...Creekside Gunshop. It was the largest shop in New York state. Unfortunately, in the days of big litigation, that run rampid from liberal politicians, the shop closed, but Doug picked up the banner, and actually raised the bar a bit.

    Turnbull is one of the foremost recognized restoration shops in the world. However, like Bert H suggests, he goes beyond the mark in his restorations. The restored unit should look like a brand new gun that is 100 years old, not a brand new gun with a little twist of todays technological advances(bright red and blues in the case hardening). That is not saying that the work the shop puts out is not an elegant, beautiful working piece of art. most manufactures out there in todays world(Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Cooper, and a few others), use Turnbull's shop for their re-issues, or kickback to the old models.

    I was not disagreeing that Turnbull does great work, but there are better shops out there, that can more closely duplicate the Winchester, or Colt pattern's and colors. However, it might not be that Turnbull can't do it, but that he chooses not to. That can be advantageous, when someone tries to pass off your work as the firearm in question being all original, like we seen on a topic here very recently with a couple early 1911's.

    Kimi, all is well on my end, I did not mean to upset the apple cart. If there are any issues you wish to talk about, feel free to drop me an e-mail.



    Hi Tim,

    I would love to have Turnbull's place of business so close to where I live! Lucky you. He would have already have had some of my business...what I could afford, that is.

    I picked up on you recognition of Doug's work, Tim, and I fully understand those aspects that O-C, Bert, and you have brought forward, and it's okay, too, should some disagreement exist. I recognize that Turnbull's "patterns" are not as defined, and perhaps, not as well placed on the Colt SAA, as they they are on Winchesters also.

    All's well on this end, Tim. Have a great day!
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  • tsr1965
    All of you "elders" on here are the best!

    Best

    EDIT 1

    quote: If I remember correctly Byron used to work for Creekside before he started working for Randy.

    I am not sure, of all the skilled craftsmen Doug's father Terry had working there. I know he had a slew of them. Creekside was the home of the "try before you buy" slogan. They had a range right at the shop. The 70's were in my days of a young and budding firearms enthusiast. I only got to go there with my late father from time to time. It is certainly to say though, that this so called by some; "disease", transpires thru generations...and I love it!

    Best
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
    All of you "elders" on here are the best!

    Best


    Same to you younger fellows, too, Tim. [;)][:)]
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  • we_dig_it
    I agree with Bert, I think his work is "overdone."
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  • Old-Colts
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
    I too love the work put out by doug Turnbull's shop. Like I commented on in the previous topic, the shop is local, and I have visited several times. It is an absolute honor to be able rub shoulders with a quality shop. I actually started visiting when I was a kid to his father's shop...Creekside Gunshop. It was the largest shop in New York state. Unfortunately, in the days of big litigation, that run rampid from liberal politicians, the shop closed, but Doug picked up the banner, and actually raised the bar a bit.Creekside Gun Shop, that's the shop I was trying to remember. In the late 70's, when I was a project engineer on an assignment for our company in the Washington DC area, my wife and I would go up to Randy Shuman's Gun Shop in Newville, PA; he had some great Winchesters. Any time they had a Winchester Saddle Ring Carbine that they thought I might be interested in he or his assistant Byron Sterling would call me and let me know what they had. Needless to say, I bought a lot of Winchesters from Randy during the 3 years we were on that assignment. One day when I was up there Byron showed me a case hardened frame Model 1886 that appeared to be factory new and original. At that time I wasn't too familiar with case hardened frame 1886's, but this one appeared like it could be original. Byron let me know that it had been restored by Creekside Gun Shop; they really did nice work on that gun and it didn't appear to be overdone!!!!! If I remember correctly Byron used to work for Creekside before he started working for Randy.
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