Russian .410 slugs
Couple of years ago, I bought a Saiga .410 (apparently a variation on the AK-47 platform) along with a quantity of shot as well as slug "cartridges". I shot the Saiga some, but flipped it before I could use up the ammo. Alas, I didn't check the bore for size. Velocity was 1600+/- fps.
I saved a batch of "cartridges" (I guess since they have metal cases, they can be called such) which are made in Russia, by the JSC Barnaul Machine Tool Plant. The look is similar to Bear-brand cartridges now available.
I own a Savage Mdl 24, my first firearm (bought it when I was 14...by mail...(sigh)...), and thought I might shoot the Saiga slugs in it. However, the Mdl 24 bore is full-choked down to .37/9.41mm, and I wasn't sure of the dimensions of the Saiga slug. Although the Mdl 24 barrel is thick and stout, I would prefer not to ruin same....
So yesterday, I dismantled a Saiga cartridge. It's a zinc-covered steel case, 2.73"/69.34mm long. The rim is sized comparably to US commercial shot-shells. Inside, there is 17 gr. of small canister-shaped powder, behind a 23.3 gr. plastic wad, similar to BPI's 12 gauge wad (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=713054), i.e., a over-powder pad connected to a circle connected to a flat-top pad.....
....upon which rests a 12.8 gr. sabot surrounding the slug. The slug is a typical hollow-base rifled slug weighing 100 gr./.227 oz. Diameter of the sabot with slug inside is .43"/10.95mm, and the slug is .40"/10.16mm.
In the past, I've shot Remington, Federal and Winchester slugs in the Mdl 24, with laughable results (how about a 12" drop in 15 yds?). I haven't taken any of those slug shells apart to measure any components.
So my question is: would you shoot the Barnaul slugs in your Mdl 24? Is the over-size in the Barnaul typical of shotgun slugs? Or would the full-choke in my Mdl 24 cause too much pressure?
I think, as I write this, I'm coming to the conclusion of "Don't do it!!" Your thoughts?
Edit: I just dropped the sabot and the slug through the barrel. The sabot appears to get blocked at the end of the chamber, and the slug dropped easily until the choke began, 1.5" from the muzzle. Don't know if the sabot would get stuck when fired (does the Saiga have a smoother transition between chamber and barrel?), but it appears the slug would probably go through easily enough.
I saved a batch of "cartridges" (I guess since they have metal cases, they can be called such) which are made in Russia, by the JSC Barnaul Machine Tool Plant. The look is similar to Bear-brand cartridges now available.
I own a Savage Mdl 24, my first firearm (bought it when I was 14...by mail...(sigh)...), and thought I might shoot the Saiga slugs in it. However, the Mdl 24 bore is full-choked down to .37/9.41mm, and I wasn't sure of the dimensions of the Saiga slug. Although the Mdl 24 barrel is thick and stout, I would prefer not to ruin same....
So yesterday, I dismantled a Saiga cartridge. It's a zinc-covered steel case, 2.73"/69.34mm long. The rim is sized comparably to US commercial shot-shells. Inside, there is 17 gr. of small canister-shaped powder, behind a 23.3 gr. plastic wad, similar to BPI's 12 gauge wad (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=713054), i.e., a over-powder pad connected to a circle connected to a flat-top pad.....
....upon which rests a 12.8 gr. sabot surrounding the slug. The slug is a typical hollow-base rifled slug weighing 100 gr./.227 oz. Diameter of the sabot with slug inside is .43"/10.95mm, and the slug is .40"/10.16mm.
In the past, I've shot Remington, Federal and Winchester slugs in the Mdl 24, with laughable results (how about a 12" drop in 15 yds?). I haven't taken any of those slug shells apart to measure any components.
So my question is: would you shoot the Barnaul slugs in your Mdl 24? Is the over-size in the Barnaul typical of shotgun slugs? Or would the full-choke in my Mdl 24 cause too much pressure?
I think, as I write this, I'm coming to the conclusion of "Don't do it!!" Your thoughts?
Edit: I just dropped the sabot and the slug through the barrel. The sabot appears to get blocked at the end of the chamber, and the slug dropped easily until the choke began, 1.5" from the muzzle. Don't know if the sabot would get stuck when fired (does the Saiga have a smoother transition between chamber and barrel?), but it appears the slug would probably go through easily enough.
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if the slug is in a plastic sabot, I wouldn't worry about the barrel. the plastic will deform before the steel barrell. accuracy will be affected more than the barrel. I tried a few of those in a model 500 I have put rifle sights on for my grandson, they shot a few inches lower but at 50 yards would still kill a deer.
A fellow gave me 3 boxes of slugs and a box and half of buckshot of the russian brand because he couldn't get his shotgun to fire them. he had an old H&R that had a weak trigger spring, my mossburg fired every time. I think the russian primer are a little harder if your savage still has a good tight triger you should have no problem.0
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