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nightboomer
HI my name is David, I have an striped Double star lower and was wondering if would have been list with the aft as (rifle, SBR or pistol lower)[?] I can not find my paper work that came the lower when I bought it.


Becouse I found an neat 9mm set up for an excellent price

If any one know

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  • dogtown tom
    quote:Originally posted by nightboomer
    HI my name is David, I have an striped Double star lower and was wondering if would have been list with the aft as (rifle, SBR or pistol lower)[?] I can not find my paper work that came the lower when I bought it.
    If any one know
    Please LMK
    Thanks

    An AR lower (or any frame or receiver) is considered an "Other Firearm".......as it is not yet a long gun or handgun.

    It would not be an SBR unless you registered and paid for an SBR tax stamp. I think you would have remembered that.
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  • Txs
    quote:Originally posted by dogtown tom
    It would not be an SBR unless you registered and paid for an SBR tax stamp....or if you install a buttstock after mounting a barrel of less than 16 in.

    By the letter of the law, if a buttstock is ever installed it's a rifle receiver from that day forth.
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  • Nwcid
    IF it has ever had a stock and 16"+ barrel on it then it IS a rifle.

    IF it has ever had no stock, and a barrel on it then it IS a pistol.

    IF it is a virgin receiver (never had the parts on it to make it a pistol or a rifle) it is a receiver ONLY. Read page 5 #18, http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf

    If you are unsure if the receiver is virgin, or pistol I would only build it as a rifle.
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  • nightboomer
    The receiver was brand new in the box when I bought it. It only has the lower guts in it along with pistol grip right now. I am in middle of deciding on all the barrels I want to build for it and type of stocks too

    1) 5.56

    2) 7.62x39

    3) 9mm
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by nightboomer
    The receiver was brand new in the box when I bought it. It only has the lower guts in it along with pistol grip right now. I am in middle of deciding on all the barrels I want to build for it and type of stocks too

    1) 5.56

    2) 7.62x39

    3) 9mm


    Well then, it is still just a reciever. If you assemble it as a pistol, then it will be a pistol, and can be later transformed into a rifle. If you build it as a rifle, then a rifle it remains.

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  • Pistollero1050
    Build it up to be a 6.8 spc. Now that would be a good rifle.[8D]
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  • beantownshootah
    quote:Originally posted by nightboomer
    The receiver was brand new in the box when I bought it. It only has the lower guts in it along with pistol grip right now. I am in middle of deciding on all the barrels I want to build for it and type of stocks too

    1) 5.56

    2) 7.62x39

    3) 9mm


    Well, if its brand new in the box, as mentioned, then you can make it a pistol OR a rifle; that's up to you.

    But once you make it a rifle, you're not *supposed* to turn it back into a pistol.

    Assuming you did that illegally anyway it would then up to the BATFE to prove that this was once a rifle. Proving something like that could be trivially easy, or actually impossible to do, depending on the circumstances.

    In my opinion, even apart from the fact that doing this is illegal, I wouldn't bother. I don't find AR-15 pistols to be all that interesting. Short barreled rifle? Interesting. . . AR-15 pistol? Novelty with limited entertainment value.

    As to calibers, if you really want to fire those different calibers, then I think its safe to say you want a RIFLE. 7.62x39, IMO, doesn't really make sense from a pistol. 9mm makes perfect sense from a REGULAR pistol. It could be interesting from an SBR, but I don't see why you'd want an conventional AR-15 pistol in 9mm.
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  • walther86
    Every single time that I have bought a stripped lower the person conducting the paperwork/background, ccw stuff has always asked whether the lower is going to be for a pistol or a rifle. It's kinda like one of those instances when you're buying .22 bullets at the store and the cashier asks you whether they're for a pistol or a rifle to determine how old you have to be to buy the bullets.
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  • dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by walther86
    Every single time that I have bought a stripped lower the person conducting the paperwork/background, ccw stuff has always asked whether the lower is going to be for a pistol or a rifle. It's kinda like one of those instances when you're buying .22 bullets at the store and the cashier asks you whether they're for a pistol or a rifle to determine how old you have to be to buy the bullets.


    That changed about 2 years ago along with a requirement that the buyer be over 21 - a new lower, even one with a buttstock attached, is 4473's as "other" and may be configured as a long gun or a handgun; however once configured as a long gun can not be reconfigued as a handgun.
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  • Nwcid
    quote:Originally posted by walther86
    Every single time that I have bought a stripped lower the person conducting the paperwork/background, ccw stuff has always asked whether the lower is going to be for a pistol or a rifle. It's kinda like one of those instances when you're buying .22 bullets at the store and the cashier asks you whether they're for a pistol or a rifle to determine how old you have to be to buy the bullets.


    Since you apparently did not go to the link above for the 4473 (you know the form YOU fill out and YOU sign every time you buy a firearm through an FFL) I will post the pertinent section for you....



    Question 18. Type of Firearm(s): Check all boxes that apply. "Other" refers to frames, receivers and other firearms that are not either handguns or long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expel a shotgun shell, or National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms.

    If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver not a handgun or long gun. However, they still are "firearms" by definition, and subject to the same GCA limitations as any other firearms. See Section 921(a)(3)(b). 18 U.S.C. Section 922(b)(1) makes it unlawful for a licensee to sell any firearm other than a shotgun or rifle to any person under the age of 21. Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle," it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21. Also, note that multiple sales forms are not required for frames or receivers of any firearms, or pistol grip shotguns, since they are not "pistols or revolvers" under Section 923(g)(3)(a).



    Again a VIRGIN RECEIVER is NOT a pistol or a rifle since it has NONE of the parts to make it either.
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  • vicg1
    quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by walther86
    Every single time that I have bought a stripped lower the person conducting the paperwork/background, ccw stuff has always asked whether the lower is going to be for a pistol or a rifle. It's kinda like one of those instances when you're buying .22 bullets at the store and the cashier asks you whether they're for a pistol or a rifle to determine how old you have to be to buy the bullets.


    That changed about 2 years ago along with a requirement that the buyer be over 21 - a new lower, even one with a buttstock attached, is 4473's as "other" and may be configured as a long gun or a handgun; however once configured as a long gun can not be reconfigued as a handgun.


    No... a buttstock means it is a rifle, even if no upper is attached...
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