what's it worth== SWISS G11, like a K11 but longer
========== INFO FOUND ON THIS RIFLE======
1889/96 repeating rifles, 1908 5000 thousand made using ser numbers from ===327001-332000=5000.===
manufacture ended in NOV 1912.
I RAN INTO AN OLD MILITIA RY GUN DEALER
and was told he said he has worked a lot of shows and this was only the 3rd he has run across and i might want to research it a little more
NOW IF SOMEONE has better info
I'M ALL EARS
reclassified as THE (INFANTRIE)
GEWEHR 89/96,
WERE SOME CALL IT A G11
THIS IS 50.2 IN LONG
(THE K11 WAS A CARBINE SAME SIZE AS THE K31),
ALL MATCH NUMBERS NO IMPORT MARKINGS found,
good wood and bore, bore has great rifling goes to the end of the barrel.wood not all beat up like most K31's.
I DID NOT FIND MUCH INFO ON WHAT THIS IS WORTH!!
nothing for sell out there that i found so far, so i have to guess as the worth.
i do know this is worth more then a K11!!
not sure if i want to refinish it or not some say yes some say no
1889/96 repeating rifles, 1908 5000 thousand made using ser numbers from ===327001-332000=5000.===
manufacture ended in NOV 1912.
I RAN INTO AN OLD MILITIA RY GUN DEALER
and was told he said he has worked a lot of shows and this was only the 3rd he has run across and i might want to research it a little more
NOW IF SOMEONE has better info
I'M ALL EARS
reclassified as THE (INFANTRIE)
GEWEHR 89/96,
WERE SOME CALL IT A G11
THIS IS 50.2 IN LONG
(THE K11 WAS A CARBINE SAME SIZE AS THE K31),
ALL MATCH NUMBERS NO IMPORT MARKINGS found,
good wood and bore, bore has great rifling goes to the end of the barrel.wood not all beat up like most K31's.
I DID NOT FIND MUCH INFO ON WHAT THIS IS WORTH!!
nothing for sell out there that i found so far, so i have to guess as the worth.
i do know this is worth more then a K11!!
not sure if i want to refinish it or not some say yes some say no
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Leave it alone! Don't refinish it whatever you do. Put it on the auction for two weeks, with a minimun price of $250, without a reserve. That's what K 31's are going for now. Let the marketplace determine it's value. If it's as uncommon and desirable as you believe it to be, the demand and competition between collectors bidding for it, will drive the value up significantly. 0 -
Chevell,
Yes, +1 with leaving the finish alone to keep historical/collector value. More so if going to sell it.
If going to keep it, then there are easy methods to preserve, (not restore-- big difference).
Point in hand as how values change... decades ago, what with DCM selling used (U.S) arms, and surplus stores/gun shops as common as gas-stations and doing the same with stuff from all over the world, the big deal was to refinish, sporterize, customize, re-barrel, re-chamber, bubba-ize, you name it. Jump ahead to present-- all those firearms are worth way less now, as the mentioned historical values has jumped ahead into the lead, big time, for those left alone as came from arsenals or through the surplus firearm market.
I myself did some of that, and beame fairly proffecient at stock refinishing, yet, as example, took a couple/few hundred $$$.$$ off a very nice M-1 carbine at present day value if had left it alone. Live and learn.
Nice rifle,
45er0 -
The K11 was a half-step on the way to the K31, and had a slightly shortened bolt assembly compared to the 89/96 guns. The idea was to produce a gun that could be used as a short rifle. While the K11 and K31 are about the same length, I think the K31 has a longer barrel as it was the final iteration of the Schmidt action where the bolt guide was changed/eliminated. Since the guns are the same length and the bolt is longer on the K11 it is obvious that the barrel is shorter on the K11 and velocities suffered correspondingly which displeased the Swiss ordinance board.
I have only seen a G11 once at a place called the GunDocktor in Roselle Illinois. Mr Sano had one hanging on the wall for many years that he never would relent and sell me! "it's too rare Bill and I wouldn't want to sell it to you for what I need for it. All my luck I would sell it to you for a thousand dollars and 1000 would be imported into the country the next week and destroy the value and you would hate me!". Great guy Mikio...he is missed. In short, they are rare enough that I can't give you a price, although I would assume the 1K Mr Sano threw at me, considering the current state of affairs would be a good ballpark. YMMV.0 -
That looks like the 1911 as the swiss called them. I have one myself. They have a low front sight which means it is zeroed in at 300 meters (328 yards) rather than 100 meters. According to an expert at the swiss rifle forum the reson for that is they were mainly for shooting across from one trench to anotehr. You can get a high front sight for $22 dollars shipped that brigs the zero down to 100 meters, I put one on mine an dvery easy to do.
Here is the swiss rifle link and you will need to sign up to contact the person below:
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/directory
and here is the man to send pictures to about your rifle, he can tell you anything about it including worth, he goes by guisan:
http://guisan.u.yuku.com/
I had a screw missing from mine, a barrel band screw, and guisan had it as well as the high front sight. He sells items for all of the swiss rifles.
He told me my rifle was selling on the US market for around $350. Contact him with your pictures and find out. yours does have a few things a bit different than mine.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jjmitchell60
That looks like the 1911 as the swiss called them. http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/directory
and here is the man to send pictures to about your rifle, he can tell you anything about it including worth, he goes by guisan:
http://guisan.u.yuku.com/
He told me my rifle was selling on the US market for around $350. Contact him with your pictures and find out. yours does have a few things a bit different than mine.
THANKS FOR THE LINKS0 -
100% sure it is a 96/11 not a G11. The 11 had a 1 piece stock, the 96/11 had the spliced in finger bump thingy, as yours does.
Nice shape, I'd wager around $275 on a bad day to $350 on a good one.
PS- mine, like all my Swiss guns, is exceptionally accurate with good handloads. The 96/11 is rated for the GP-11 7.5X55 ammo, the standard loading, as opposed to the earlier round nosed GP-89.
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/schmidt_rubin.html That's probably what you're looking at, and is a great site.
Well an 89/96 would still have the detachable 12 round mag, this has the 6, so it is a 96/11. One could make the case that it is an 89/96/11, but whatever, bottom line is it is still the converted model and not one of the thousand odd ones left in original configuration.
If you want more info, and I'm free to stand corrected, visit the swiss rifle forum at http://collectorguns35625.yuku.com/forums/1 or the swiss forum on gunboards.com.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jonk
100% sure it is a 96/11 not a G11. The 11 had a 1 piece stock, the 96/11 had the spliced in finger bump thingy, as yours does.
Nice shape, I'd wager around $275 on a bad day to $350 on a good one.
PS- mine, like all my Swiss guns, is exceptionally accurate with good handloads. The 96/11 is rated for the GP-11 7.5X55 ammo, the standard loading, as opposed to the earlier round nosed GP-89.
what I'm reading is the date made and it was fitted for the hand grip from the straight stock, and it is 50+ inches long.
THAT MADE IT A GEWEHR 89/96
what I'm seeing at the swiss site but I'm also not fully into the old swiss guns to know for sure. just what 1 person told me. there is an old gun shop I'm going to take it too here that has 100+ old guns on the wall. NOT FOR SALE
UNTIL THE LAST GUN SHOW I NEVER HEARD OF A G11[8D]
I HAD AN OLDER MOD 89 BUT IT HAD BEEN SPORTERIZED0
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