Tell me about this ammo
It's marked on the box .357 Magnum 158 gr. Metal Piercing. What is it's primary use? I know, it's for piercing metal, I get that. Was it designed for police use, or what?
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AP, for shooting through bad guys car doors.
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It would be best if you could post quality photos of the cartridge and box it came in. There have been many similar cartridges sold over the years.
Many years ago I was given some that had a similar name. The person that gave me the ammo didn't want to shoot it because of the unpleasant muzzle blast and recoil. It was commercially made ammo with a conical shaped bullet with a hardened point. The unique thing about the cartridge was that it used large pistol primers, whereas all modern .357 ammo used small pistol primers.0 -
I can remember years ago ,the
dept giving my dad AP rounds.
Story was they'd go thru the
length of the car and crack the block.
Sometime later they took
all the rounds back from the officers.
I have 2 rds that I found while
cleaning his house out after he passed.
I don't dare nor do I want to shoot them.
nickle plated shell-copper conical point.0 -
they are lead with a metal shell made to help deflection against car doors and windshields in the day..over kill on todays paper thin cars 0 -
Thanks, guys. You described them to a tee. Conical jacketed bullets. These are made by Winchester. I'll try to post a photo of bullets and box. 0 -
I suppose these are the evil "cop killer" bullets the gun haters used to go on about, that have
a. Never been available to the general public and have
b. Never actually been used by anyone to kill a police officer.
Importation of this type of ammo has been banned for quite a while and I'm not sure if any domestic manufacturers still even make it.
Anyway I'd imagine a box of these has considerable collectors value.0 -
Well, now I feel kinda stupid for asking the question. I turned the box over and it says: "The WESTERN LUBALOY jacketed conical bullet is specially designed for penetration of light gauge metal such as automobile bodies, for use by law enforcement agencies." They are Western Super X cartridges, made by Olin's Winchester-Western Division (New Haven, Conn. - East Alton, Ill.) 0 -
Hi,
The below literature describes the metal piercing cartridge and includes the advertising.
The first cartridge left of 6 o'clock with the nickel plated case is what we are talking about. This is the 38 Special variety. This ammunition is 1950's vintage and you will still see boxes of it for sale on the auction sites.
Best,
Heavyiron
PS: The metal piercing bullet is not magnetic which would lead one to believe it has a heavy gilding metal jacket with lead core, but no hardened steel or steel of any kind. I don't think the metal piercing bullet was a true AP projectile nor was it a real commercial success.0 -
quote:Originally posted by fordsix
they are lead with a metal shell made to help deflection against car doors and windshields in the day..over kill on todays paper thin cars
LOL! Back in the old days just about any old jalopy was an armored car, especially where the old .38 RN lead police loads were concerned.
These rounds are legal because they do not fit the current definition of armor piercing handgun ammo. What I am going to say is that if you take this stuff out and shoot it there is the very good chance that it will be confused with AP ammo and this will lead to nothing but trouble, especially if any cops are hanging around! There is a long standing notion that Black Talon is banned so you can imagine the confustion with a box of "metal piercing ammo".0 -
Those rounds and the copper washed Lubaloys will do an outstanding job of leading the hell out of a barrel. 0
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