338 ultra mag
is this caliber becoming obsolete?
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my friend and i are planning on making a 1000 yard shooting gun. we are stuck between the 338 edge or the ultra. well the question is does anyone know the balisitics on a 338 ultra mag at 1000 yards. 0 -
No. but I can comment on the recoil in a non-compensated rifle...pretty much bone crushing. Have you considered the 338 Lap Mag in the mix, or even the 340 Weatherby?Brass availability would dictate my choice, along with cost to reload. The 338 Edge I am not familiar with, but can't help but think it falls somewhere in the middle of the mix of cartridges already mentioned, so, since I have not heard a great deal about it, I assume the brass to be rather hard to locate. 0 -
well we were looking into a 338 lapua the brass cost will kill a person. but like i said i was just wondering can the 338 ultra mag kill an elk at 1000 plus yards 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tylerzent92
well we were looking into a 338 lapua the brass cost will kill a person. but like i said i was just wondering can the 338 ultra mag kill an elk at 1000 plus yards
Hells yes it will.
The question is should you even try.
Paper and steel are fine to shoot at those ranges.
Why not do real hunting and get closer for a sure shot.
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Long range hunting is not for everyone and it does not happen overnight, practice, practice, practice, shot placement, shot placement, shot placement ...
Check out this 925 yards bull elk shot taken with 6.5x.284 using .140gr pill ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4o6n6rRlQs0 -
look up longrange hunting. we are just wanting one that can kill a elk at that distance. 0 -
To be able to do what is in that video, takes practice and lots of $$. If the price of the Lapua brass scares, wait till you see what it will cost to build a rifle that is consistantly capable of that. It is not just the rifle, but the scope, base, and rings too. Then there is the cost of the ammo, and finding a range long enough to practice on, and the time and money to develop your loads. I run about 600 rounds thru my 300 RUM last summer, doing just such things.
But to answer your question, YES, the 338 RUM is capable of EVERYTHING the Lapua, EDGE, 338-378, and others are capable of. Including enough horsepower to kill an Elk at 1000 yards.
In your quest for the equipment, you can look forward to a minimum of $ 4K for the rifle/scope/base/rings combination. That is doing the smithing yourself, if you have the knowledge to do so.
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From what I understand, the 338 edge is the 300 RUM necked up to 338. It is pretty much a wash between those two, the 338-378 Weatherby, 338 Lapua, and the 338 Norma. The plus side of the coin, the RUM brass is readily available.
I would imagine that since this is going to be a 1000+ yard specialty rifle, it is going to be weighty like some of mine that I have. Recoil shouldn't be a problem for most, but I am getting to be a whimp I guess.
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Babun,
You are misguided about the capabilities of the 6.5 caliber rounds. Don't just look at bullet kinetic energies...they lie sometimes. The 6.5's have higher ballistic coefficients, and better sectional density for penetration, than what their diameter suggest. The Scandanavian countries rely on the 6.5x55 to take down a lot of moose. I am sure it is capable of Elk also. A 500 WIZ-BANG! is not going to kill any better than a 22LR, if it's brutality is going to keep the shooter from putting the bullet where he needs to.
As far as target shooting comfort, they make recoil suppressors to deal with that. If you can't hit paper at 1000 yards, then surely don't try it on game...especially with a rifle that hurts you and scares you.
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You have to decide if you are going to hunt with it or target shoot with it. Makes a big difference. If targets, then a 6.5 will do it better with everything cheaper and no shoulder damage. If hunting and I mean BIG animals then the .338 is the way to go.
I can put 100 rounds thru a 6.5 Creedmore in a day on the range, try that with a .338 ultra. The big guns are great if you need to take out a Ahole sitting in a car filled with IED's.
If you want to gong steel plates at 1000 yrds, the small bullet makes almost the same sound. Bob0 -
I haven't shot 1000 yds. Yet , But about 2 yrs ago I asked for advice from this web site...I think no-nonsense , but my memory not'sthe greatest gave me the advice on the gun's and scope on a long-range rifle within my carpenters budget. I saved a bought a 300 win. Mag. In a rem. Sendero sf ll and a nightforce 5.5/ 22/ 50 scope , rings and base. Shooting 180 gr. Blackhills gold barns triple shock at 200 cold bore or warm less than 2 in. @ 200 yds. At 540 yds. At red castle gun club Tulsa,ok I'm getting 5-8 in. I tried reloading with a guy who know's how and has all the goddies, ... I found out for me and my rifle is that the berger 168 gr my rifle hated but the barns shot the same as the factory did, but that was also only the first time to reload. ... But I weighed all powder and even hand picked and re-sized and trimmed the once shot brass. After 12 years of shooting different 300's and every kind of factory loads I say after killing big deer and monster hogs the barns bullets are better than Berger and my 540 yd gun with Timmy trijet was bout 3100 using a gun smith to set and install trigger. I love the gun and the advice I received from this web site..... I hunt public land and even watching the wind and scent- you have to put your time in and know your gun at 50 yds to 500 yds and if You practice enough and aren't shooting someones cattle( high priced hunts where their's No fair-Chase) then somebody shooting 925 yds. if your confident is Good in my book. I have the best of the west C.D it's entertaining and if I didn't have a H.S stock and Nightforce scope I would their suggestions. I drink beer, but not when I shoot or hunt 0 -
A "target and hunting" rifle will do neither best - espcially if your goal is to shoot 1000 yards. Got to go with one or the other or buy two guns.
I have or have had the 338 RUM, 338 Lapua & 340 Weatherby - not a whole lot of difference between the three of them and my guess is that applies to the 338 Edge.
It's true 338 LM brass can be expensive but it's sturdy as hell. If you want to save $$$ on LM brass Grafs has Privi Partizan brand at a reasonable (for LM) price. Being a niche cartridge I think the LM has more accuracy loads developed for it than the the RUM and 340. I'd scratch the 340 for two reasons - brass isn't cheap and there's not a whole lot of loads out there for it.
I think the 338 RUM will do about everything the LM will do, accuracy and not cost of brass (so long as brass is available) would be/was the deciding factor for me. So far as powder use goes, getting about 80 rounds or so out of a pound of powder - well, it sure makes you want to account for every shot.0 -
tylerzent92---IMHO---I like the 338 RUM better than the others because it in not a belted case. I believe you get some better accuracy with the un-belted. Although the Wby. cartridges are great rounds for hunting, I don't think you get the best accuracy, from the belted case, and the freebore of the Wby rounds. I would buy a new Rem. 700 action ( even the SPS in the RUM), then send the gun to Christensen Arms for some action work, and a 26"= Carbon fiber Bbl. I did this last fall in a 300 RUM, left it in the BDL stock, for a sheep hunt. The last three groups I shot before the hunt with 165 gr. NOS Accubonds. averaged 0.290, at 100 yds, from a bench, with 4.5x14 Leupold, in Warne rings. Hands down, the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. Keep us posted. HAWKSHAW 0
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