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redman.com1
I've got a m-92 win. up for auction here (#46161756) that has been copletely rebuilt but to all original spec's. it this still c&r transferable. A potential bidder wants to know. thanks.
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  • redman.com1
    I just finished filling out my C&R renewal and was surprised to see question #8 ask my if I have, or planned to do any internet sales. It then went on to ask which site(s) I planned to use. I don't remember that last time, any idea as to when that appeared?
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  • dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by redman.com1
    got a stevens model 620 12 guage pump shotgun that is marked stevens browning. united states property on the receiver and barrel. trying to sell it on the web sight. this, in my opinion should be a c&r gun. since it was made in wartime and is marked U.S. need to know if it is or not? any help would be appreciated. keep in mind that just because a gun is over 50 years old, does not make it a c&r. thanks


    If it's in original configuration and +50 years old then I'd also say it's C & R eligible - other than not being in original configuration or receiver only, how would a +50 year old gun not be C & R eligible?
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  • redman.com1
    as far as i know, such as a browning auto, are concidered a modern firearm, especially if still in production, and is not a c&r regaurdless of age. in other words, when the 1100 turns 50 old. the ones that are will not be a C&r and never will be. let me know if im wrong, as i usually am. thanks
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  • nmyers
    Sorry, you wrong. See ATF P5300.11:

    "Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF's C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) for a formal classification."

    OTOH, I do not know when your shotgun was manufactured. Can you document the date? The USP proves nothing.

    Neal
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  • rufe-snow
    Your 620 is a C & R unless it's been altered substantially from it's factory original condition.

    Factory original US military 620's, specially if it's in Trench Gun configuration are big buck collectors items now. Don't let it go to cheap. Unfortunately lot of them were sporterized after the war, by being refinished, having Cutts Compensators added to the barrels etc. This kills a lot of their collectors value and may affect their C & R status, depending on how much else they have been bubbaed.
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  • mark christian
    quote:Originally posted by redman.com1
    as far as i know, such as a browning auto, are concidered a modern firearm, especially if still in production, and is not a c&r regaurdless of age. in other words, when the 1100 turns 50 old. the ones that are will not be a C&r and never will be. let me know if im wrong, as i usually am. thanks


    You are wrong.
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  • Herschel
    redman.com1, You sure have the right byline.
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  • slumlord44
    C&R unless highly modified. ANY gun 50 years old or older is a C&R butbe prepared to document its age.
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  • countryfarmer
    A gun could have been made last year and be C&R eligible IF and it would be a big if, the ATF determined it had unique enough property to warrant a C&R disignation.
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  • capgun
    How much can a C&R be modified and still be a C&R? New stock? recoil pad added? barrel shortened? New front sight? Engraved? The law says original configuration, so I would think ANY modification would remove it from C&R status. Wonder what ATF thinks?
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  • countryfarmer
    Say you have a 1903a3 Springfield and someone sporterized it, it is a no go. Just drilling and tapping a gun for a scope might be ok but any type of modification that changes the looks of it or its operation is a no no also. A 1953 Marlin 336 that someone took the round barrel and replaced it with a octagonal one is also a no go. Now on said Marlin if you broke the buttstock and replaced it with a new mfg one, as long as it looks like and has the same measurements as the old one, you should be OK.

    Mark or Neal, What are your thoughts?
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  • countryfarmer
    quote:Originally posted by capgun
    How much can a C&R be modified and still be a C&R? New stock? recoil pad added? barrel shortened? New front sight? Engraved? The law says original configuration, so I would think ANY modification would remove it from C&R status. Wonder what ATF thinks?


    New stock maybe OK, recoil pad uncertain of, barrel shortened I think no go, front sight maybe Ok, Engraved I think no go.
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