Help to identify a Remington Rolling Block
Hello to everybody. I'm asking your help to identify a rifle I've in my - small - collection. I tryed in other Forum but no answer
I try to identify it using the Layman's book but without success. Thank you in advance for your help.
Regards, il-clifton
Herewith some photos of this rifle.
no serial number, only "B" mark on most of the parts
only other marks are on the stock:
a couple of more photograps. I removed the stock: no serial number or other marking on the gun but a small P only.
I try to identify it using the Layman's book but without success. Thank you in advance for your help.
Regards, il-clifton
Herewith some photos of this rifle.
no serial number, only "B" mark on most of the parts
only other marks are on the stock:
a couple of more photograps. I removed the stock: no serial number or other marking on the gun but a small P only.
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I have never seen it on a Rolling Block previously. But I have seen a "B" inside a circle on both Luger Pistols and Mauser Rifles. They were made under contract for Brazil. Apparently the "B" was either signifying that the arms were made for Brazil, or it was a acceptance marking? As I said previously don't know factually that your "B" marked RB is Brazilian though? 0 -
any idea as to cal.?, it looks very similar to my spanish one (no 'B' tho). the ser. # should be under the stock at the front l.h. side of the tang.
edit, you need to remove the BUTT stock. the TANG is in back of the hammer0 -
I have also seen this (the script on Brazilian contract Mausers, as well as a cursive B as on the side of a couple '08 Brazilian Mausers I own. The rolling Block, as it was easily adaptable to many, many chamberings and did not suffer from the vageries of a magazine system was the rifle of choice for about every South American country around that time period. There were many still being delivered around the turn of the 20th century because of low cost, maintenance and ease of operation even as the system mauser began to be the darling of the southern continent. The cursive "P" on the stock? I do not know for sure, but keep in mind that several SA countries, as they re-equipped with the new state of the art '91, '95, '96, '98, '07-'08-'09-'12 Mauser rifles sold off their surplus arms to like minded (most of the time...Gran Chaco war aside) neighbors who would be unlikely to turn the guns against their former owners . These were refurbed and remarked to varying degrees by their new owners (again, refference the Gran Chaco war and how upset several allies were to have their former guns in the hands of their now enemies) and pressed into service. I wonder, as Peru had little economy to speak of and was generally a really poor nation in those days if it might be a former Brazilian gun that was purchased and remarked with a "P" for Peru? WHO KNOWS!! Again, serialization of Remingtons guns is a little spotty, so any other hidden markings you can find will likely tell you more.
You need to look at the front of the reciever after having removed the wood forearm, and see if there are some markings there. Stevens and many other single shot rifle makers put their model data there, as well as serialization in some cases. Good luck...wish that one could tell us its' story!0 -
As Mike noted, did you pull the buttstock? He said he thinks there is a serial number alongside the tang at the wrist of the stock. I have none to compare to, so that sounds like as good an idea as any!
Thanks also for sticking with it and doing what we request in terms of pictures etc... not all people seem to be as able to follow instructions/requests as yourself!!!0 -
When you close the block does the hammer drop by itself to the half cock position?? 50 caliber(half inch at the muzzle)??
It looks like a New York State Militia rifle to me too, if the hammer falls when you close the block then it is. It is supposed to be the only one that did that.
I have one that looks just like it.0 -
The B inspection stamp is found an many different U.S. and foreign export models. The rear sight looks like a NYS rolling block sight rather than a Spanish RRB. Check the wrist carefully for cartouches. 0 -
Thank you to all.
Herewith some more findings:
- caliber .50 could be right (12,5 - 12,7 mm) but I've to check better
- removing the buttstock I found a serial number on the left side of the tang. I read a very small "C" and 5 digit. I've to clean well to make a proper photograph. I will do it during the week-end.
- closed the block, if I close manually the hammer it stop without firing. I've to trigger to have the hammer that closed at all.
I would like to note that the "B" is without circle allways. On the buttstock the letter on the circle is a "P".
I think we did a quantum step, I hope we are closer to the correct identification of my toy. Thank you again.0 -
There was a write up about a NEW BOOK on Rem. Rolling blocks about 6 months ago in The Journal "MAN AT ARMS" I tried to find the writeup all I can remember is it is 240 pages hardcover by George Layman. You can order from www.gunandswordcollector.com or maybe Amazon . It is Reported to be the best reference book on Rolling blocks ever printed. 0 -
My guess is the model 1871 as the last patent date is 1868...the checkered block lever might mean something (as opposed to the arrowhead on the NYS contract rifles). I'll be watching this thread to see what I can learn along the way. The bayonets seem to be around at the gunshows here in NYS
Hey Perry Shooter,
I owe you some data on your shotgun...My computer crashed a few months back and I couldn't email without running the risk of spreading a "Google redirect virus". Please send me an email to robertchambers@roadrunner.com and I will send you everything I have on Syracuse and Frank Hollenbeck. Thanks for waiting. Bob Chambers0 -
It IS NOT a Model 1871. They are all marked as such on the left side of the receiver. The bayonet lug is exactly the same as the Egyptian rolling block. A chamber cast may be necessary to confirm the model and caliber. 0
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