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TEUFELHUNDE
I have just got a bolt action rifle. It is marked as follows: U.S. Springfield Armory Model 1899. So it is not an 03 and not a 98. Just what the heck have I got here?

If your gonna be stupid you better be tough !!
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  • TEUFELHUNDE
    I've have a rifle I think German, heavy as hell. The stock goes all the way to the end of the barrel. The shells feed into the side like a carbine the only markings without taking it apart are WAFFENBGIK BERN AND THE SER NUMBER. The action and trigger are very smooth. I don't even have any idea what cal it is and there are no dates.

    SEMPER FI
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  • 1KYDSTR
    If it says Bern on it , it is Swiss produced, although point of delivery is anyones guess. Is it a turnbolt or a STRAIGHT PULL? If turnbolt them perhaps an 1893 Mannlicher (it was full stocked, and the only non Swiss design used for many years) but I would guess that if it is a streaight pull, it's a variant of the Schmidt-Rubin rifle...most likely a K-31. Pictures would really help.
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  • TEUFELHUNDE
    quote:Originally posted by TEUFELHUNDE
    I've have a rifle I think German, heavy as hell. The stock goes all the way to the end of the barrel. The shells feed into the side like a carbine the only markings without taking it apart are WAFFENBGIK BERN AND THE SER NUMBER. The action and trigger are very smooth. I don't even have any idea what cal it is and there are no dates.

    SEMPER FI

    I think this is what it is I found an article from 2001 (http://www.cruffler.com/historic-july01.html)

    M1878 Vetterli Rifle
    Type: Bolt Action Infantry Rifle
    System of Operation: Manual
    Caliber: 10.4x38Rmm Rimfire
    Capacity: 12 round tube magazine
    Sights, front: Blade
    Sights, rear: Elevation Adjustable Notch
    Length: 52.2" l
    Weight (unloaded): 10.1 lbs
    Barrel: 33.1", 4 grooves, RH twist
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  • rufe-snow
    From your description, it appears you have one of the Swiss Vetterli models. I got this photo off the net, compare it to your rifle.


    78_81_Vetterli_rifle_s-vi.jpg
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  • TEUFELHUNDE
    quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
    From your description, it appears you have one of the Swiss Vetterli models. I got this photo off the net, compare it to your rifle.


    78_81_Vetterli_rifle_s-vi.jpg

    thats it thanks
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  • fordsix
    41 swiss rimfire..ammo has not been made since the 40's most drill the bolt to make it center fire
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  • jonk
    1KYDSTR- even the 1893 Swiss Mannlicher was straight pull.

    Many models of Vetterli were made. 1878, 1869/71, and 1881 being the most commonly encountered. Chambered in 10.4X38.4RF. CF conversions are fairly easy, use reformed 8mm Lebel or 348 Win brass and a .429" (nominal) bullet.

    Very mild, fun shooters, great pieces to spark conversation at the range.
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