Luger ?
I'm working on a trade and am not sure if its a good deal so I'm asking for help/advice. I have a Colt 1991 A-1 in great shape and I've shot 1 box thru in 15 yrs, with the Colt carry case. Been offered a 1920's commercial .30 cal. German Luger with what I say is 75% original blue (owner put a 1k value on it, I don't think so). I'm just not sure tho I've always like Lugers and then again also liked Colt 1911's. Advice, Thanks
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30 luger ammo much harder to find and more $$$ then 45 ACP Now if this was a ALL MATCHING Early model wit original finish Yes but rework 1920 No Way. ask him to take top half off the Grip /frame if the pistol is not blued on the inside of magazine well then it has not been reblued but if inside of pistol is all blue and the trigger and safety are blued then it has been refinished. 0 -
Thanks Perry, the #'s match, but not original mag. I can tell(so can anyone) its not a re-blue. I'm leaning toward your thoughts also. 0 -
The 1920 Commercials are the red headed step child of Lugers, as far as Luger collectors are concerned. IMHO there would be a snow storm in hell the same day he would be able to get $1,000 out of one thats 75%.
Even for a straight cross trade for your Colt, I would have great reservations. A 1920 Commercial Luger is always going to be a tough sell, not even considering that it's 75%.
I wouldn't do the deal at all, but hold off for a original 9mm military Luger in Very Good condition, at least 90%.0 -
Since we don't have pictures of either gun I'm assuming conditions as you've described. I'd think value is about equal and an even trade would be reasonable. I've had both guns in recent years likely in comparable condition and sold both for about the same price; in my case $600 each. 0 -
Junkballer....not having seen either gun, but going on what you say (matching 75% commerical Luger vs a 1991 1911) I would have to go with the Luger. Now, if you had a earlier Colt 1911 (Pre-70, even 80') I would say no way, but in my area of the world 1991's are not bringing prices much more than $5-700 or so, depending on condition. I think the all matching Luger (again, without seeing either gun) would bring more than that, and would hold its value much better in the future IMHO[^] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by gary wray
Junkballer....not having seen either gun, but going on what you say (matching 75% commerical Luger vs a 1991 1911) I would have to go with the Luger. Now, if you had a earlier Colt 1911 (Pre-70, even 80') I would say no way, but in my area of the world 1991's are not bringing prices much more than $5-700 or so, depending on condition. I think the all matching Luger (again, without seeing either gun) would bring more than that, and would hold its value much better in the future IMHO[^]
A 1920 commercial Luger at 75% isn't in the the same category as either the pre W W I, or 1923 DWM commercial Luger. I don't know where you reside, it might be there's a bunch of Luger collectors who just fell off the proverbial turnip wagon, and don't know the difference in that area. Personally I've seen to many 1920 commercials in way better shape then 75%, starting to put out roots because their owners didn't have the wits to price them right, i.e. trying to shuck and jive that their was no difference between them and DWM made 1923 commercials.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
Thanks Perry, the #'s match, but not original mag. I can tell(so can anyone) its not a re-blue. I'm leaning toward your thoughts also.
Once upon a time I couldn't tell (item in blue, above). So, I've learned over the years. If you think the unschooled, casual observer can tell the quality of finish, the rest of the reported condition is suspect. Now, with that said..
Did you follow Perry Shooters lead on the proper way to determine original blue?
Actually, this entire post is moot. Reads like you want the Luger. The only suggestion I have is to wait until a solid, 80pct (NRA rating-modern firearms) gun in nine millimeter comes along.
If it's a re-worked Luger to the standards of the Weimar order of 1920, then it's,well,....re-worked!
As it stands now, I'd pass on the deal. Joe
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I've just read your post immediately below this, and I'm sorry for coming on strong (first paragraph, above).
..You and I will agree there was very little substantive information to rely on*, and as others, the true neophytes (I'll take your word on your experience level), also read the Experts forum, I felt the need to inject the 'doubt' factor. Wrong? Perhaps yes. But it's done.
Best again, and welcome to the Experts forum, Junkballer! Joe
*To all readers of the Experts forum..remember the importance of photographs!0 -
Thanks everyone, well I see the opinions are like my feelings (mixed). My gut says to keep my Colt so thats what I'm gonna do, atleast I know exactly what I have since I bought it new in the early 90's when they first came out. The Luger was pushing its best to be 75% and "if" it had been better then I think it would have been a decent no-brainer, but with all the imports thats come in they're just not as scarce as they once were. Thanks again for good replys. GIVETTE to answer your question, Yes it was honest old age wear on the bluing and never seen a bluing vat, POSITIVE, I've been around awhile, just not on here if your a post counter trying to determine my experience. 0 -
Just to clarify...is it a "1920's commercial" or a double date 1920 dated permission gun? I think a few folks here thought it to be a Weimar permission gun as opposed to a commercial pistol. I think all the double dates were 9mm, but I am not referring to a book on this one as they have all been packed for a few years in anticipation of a house sale and move that may never take place... 0 -
FWIW On my 1920 "commercial" the top of the front receiver ring is noticably flattened, I am told this was done when the military build date was ground off. Mine also has "Germany" stamped on the front left flat of the frame near the take-down lever, indicating prepared for export. Mine is a .30 and I am seriously thinking about rebarreling it back to 9mm as the .30 is a PITA to reload and expensive to shoot all factory. 0
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