CZ 82
I am new to this forum, this is my first post and it is a question.
I recently purchased a very good CZ 82. Over 95% of original finish.
The original finish looks like home-made powdercoat or something.
Now the Question
Can I get a fine grade deep blue done on this gun.
In advance, Thank you for your input.
BR
I recently purchased a very good CZ 82. Over 95% of original finish.
The original finish looks like home-made powdercoat or something.
Now the Question
Can I get a fine grade deep blue done on this gun.
In advance, Thank you for your input.
BR
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The standard Czech military finish was the black paint/enamel that is on the pistol now. As it has a steel frame and receiver it would be no problem for a gunsmith who specializes in refinishing to put a high polish on it and then and blue it. It likely will be expensive though and ruin the resale value of the CZ. Although these are very common and not very expensive surplus pistols now, the value for ones in original military issue condition will likely go up in the future. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by VettesnDogs
I am new to this forum, this is my first post and it is a question.
I recently purchased a very good CZ 82. Over 95% of original finish.
The original finish looks like home-made powdercoat or something.
Now the Question
Can I get a fine grade deep blue done on this gun.
In advance, Thank you for your input.
BR
It "can" be done, but its going to be expensive (ie likely over $200), and you're NOT going to get most of that money back if you sell the gun later.
Personally, I'd pass.0 -
Oh I know I would NEVER get any of the money back and it would ruin the resale value completely.
I will keep the gun - it fits like a glove.
It just looks like I spray painted the darn thing.
Is this legal to ask on the forum??
Anyone know anyone in Atlanta???
Thanks
Bart0 -
quote:Originally posted by VettesnDogs
Oh I know I would NEVER get any of the money back and it would ruin the resale value completely.
I will keep the gun - it fits like a glove.
It just looks like I spray painted the darn thing.
Is this legal to ask on the forum??
Anyone know anyone in Atlanta???
Thanks
Bart
I don't think it will "ruin" the resale value; you just won't see most of the money you spent on refinishing back.
You'll take a beat up $225 CZ-82 before your bluing job, and then assuming its a good job, afterwards it will be a nice looking $250 blued CZ-82.
Yeah, you're right that the enamel paint finishes on these guns are lousy. On the flip side, they're not all that difficult to remove.
There are other options to refinishing other than bluing. I'd suggest looking at one of the spray/bake on enamel or epoxy finishes. Those will give you a decent-looking finish that is tougher than bluing and also less expensive to do.
I lifted this picture off the net. It shows a gun refinished in matte black Duracoat with custom grips. If you search on the internet for "CZ-82 refinsh" you'll find all sorts of examples and directions:
Its perfectly legit to ask a question about refinishing. Why wouldn't it be? CZ-82 pistols have little to no collector value at this point in time, and they're never likely to assume major collector status, since they weren't used in any important military campaigns.
I don't know any gun refinishers in Atlanta I can recommend, if that is the thrust of your question.0 -
That is a Great looking gun.
I am going to try and find that site. The Grips are stunning.
Any leads for this site?
Thanks
Bart0 -
Good Morning
I am having a bit of trouble navigating thru the Forum. I read tto the bottom of the page and then lose the thread. I will figure it out however.
The picture of the CZ with the wood grips is where I would like to end up with mine. From the Maryland Shooters group where the pistol was originally displayed indicated that the finish was a Do-it-Yourself project. You'al have also indicated that if I want to follow thru with this idea, there are DYI coatings available.
About 30 years ago I decided to refinish my very first gun, a Beretta 1934. The final sanding was with 2,000 grit. The corners were still square, the Markings were nice and visable and consistant. I spent 3-4 weeks on the gun. 30 yrs ago now. I can not remember what Name Brand blueing it was. It was a cold two step process. The gun looked like a mirror---for about 3 days. Then small rust spots appeared. It was like a disease that just continued to spread. I washed and washed but to no avail. I took it to a Smith and he saved it. However my 2,000 grit finish was now about a 600 grit finish. I say this to say that a DYI gun finish is daunting. I can rebuild a Corvette, but woahhh.
I would appreciate any and all input regarding this refinishing of my CZs.
Genuinely Appreciated
Bart0 -
If you've already refinished a gun, you'll have a good idea of what's involved.
Without getting too detailed here, you disassemble the gun, strip off the old finish (in this case the enamel/paint finish of a CZ-82 can probably be removed pretty easily with chemical paint stripper), buff/polish the metal (if necessary), then apply your new finish (carefully!).
As you've now learned, a blued finish looks nice, but its actually not very rust-resistant (particularly not a cold-blue do it at home job), and you need to keep a gun like that coated in a film of gun oil to prevent rust.
If you want to do it all at home, there are different ways to go.
True hot bluing probably isn't really a do-it-yourself job, though you could try a slow-rust blue. That can give a really nice result, though its fairly labor intensive and time consuming.
Parkerizing isn't very attractive, but it is doable at home and highly durable.
If I were going to try this, personally, I'd just use one of the Brownell's spray on/bake on products. You probably won't end up with something as nice as a high-polished blue, but you still can get pretty good cosmetic results and end up with something fairly durable.
This one is an epoxy-based product that is very tough, and supposedly pretty easy to use:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1150/Product/GUN_KOTE__OVEN_CURE__GUN_FINISH0 -
I used Brownelles Aluma-Hyde II on 2 of my AK's.
AH II is a rattle can spray on epoxy that takes months to dry hard.
For my ak's I hand sanded the old finish off, completed degreased everything with brake cleaner, a couple times, wiped everything down, and let them sit overnight.
When I was read to spray, I set up a mini paint booth in my basement by hanging tarps.
I then hung each part from string and sprayed them.
The key with AH II is you need to wait at least a month for the epoxy to completely harden before trying to touch up.
Learned that the hard way. Respaying one of them a couple days later cause all the original paint to bubble up. [:(!]
Had to strip that one with brake cleaner & citris strip and start over.
I don't think I would use AH II or any of the epoxy finishes on a handgun with lots of moving parts. The epoxy finish adds thickness to tolerences. It will cause frame rails to tighten up.
For a CZ82 style gun I would pay for someone to hot blue it.
Check out:
www.novaksights.com
I see to recall their rebluing to be very affordable -- $150ish?
http://www.novaksights.com/customguns/BHP/modifications.html#finishing
$145 for blueing0
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