7.62x39 04 308-CONT.
From previous thread:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=569443
skyman,
You have quite a delima on your hands...deciding which new firearm to buy.
Since I have both AR-15 type, and AR-10 type platforms, I will tell you that the7.62x39 is not a long range(past 300 yrds), for accuracy shooting, and past 150-200 yards for hunting medium sized game. I know other's will say it is, but experience tells me otherwise, and there is a BIG difference between trying to cleanly kill an animal, and trying just to hit a piece of paper, or maime, and possibly kill an enemy combatant in war.
That said, you don't have to go to the AR-10 to get what you are after, as there are plenty of cartridges that fit the AR-15 platform, that can, your needs. However, the 308 Winchester in an AR-10, would be the easiest route, and have the most non-specialized caliber(and price).
The second most available round in an AR-10, you might consider for long range, longer range than a 308, is the 260 Remington. 6.5mm, on the 308 case...it really has the long distance going on.
For the long range performer's on the AR-15 platform, you have the 5.56/223, loaded with the longer bullets, and for hunting the 62 or 70 grain Barnes TSX bullets(they perform great on deer), the 6.5 Grendel, 30 AR Remington, and a whole host of rounds based on the WSSM case, from the 223 WSSM, all the way to the 300 OSSM(Olympic Super Short Magnum, which boasts better than 30-06 perfrmance), all out of an AR-15 platform.
Lots of things to ponder, huh?
Best
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=569443
skyman,
You have quite a delima on your hands...deciding which new firearm to buy.
Since I have both AR-15 type, and AR-10 type platforms, I will tell you that the7.62x39 is not a long range(past 300 yrds), for accuracy shooting, and past 150-200 yards for hunting medium sized game. I know other's will say it is, but experience tells me otherwise, and there is a BIG difference between trying to cleanly kill an animal, and trying just to hit a piece of paper, or maime, and possibly kill an enemy combatant in war.
That said, you don't have to go to the AR-10 to get what you are after, as there are plenty of cartridges that fit the AR-15 platform, that can, your needs. However, the 308 Winchester in an AR-10, would be the easiest route, and have the most non-specialized caliber(and price).
The second most available round in an AR-10, you might consider for long range, longer range than a 308, is the 260 Remington. 6.5mm, on the 308 case...it really has the long distance going on.
For the long range performer's on the AR-15 platform, you have the 5.56/223, loaded with the longer bullets, and for hunting the 62 or 70 grain Barnes TSX bullets(they perform great on deer), the 6.5 Grendel, 30 AR Remington, and a whole host of rounds based on the WSSM case, from the 223 WSSM, all the way to the 300 OSSM(Olympic Super Short Magnum, which boasts better than 30-06 perfrmance), all out of an AR-15 platform.
Lots of things to ponder, huh?
Best
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per the original post:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=569443
It would seem the op is after 1) high quantity of 2) accurate ammunition (enough for pig hunting anyway).
In short answer to your question, this is doable at this time. I would lay in a bunch of quality (reasonably) ammunition after you purchased this rifle. This means box Federal or Winchester with hunting bullets that match the diameter of your barrel.
I would not just go get a bunch of surplus, (which is now back on the market, in large quantities, after several years absence) and expect it to do the job you ask. The biggest issue of course, is the barrel size. Make sure you get .308 dia. bullets for a .308 dia. barrel. and .310/.311" dia bullets for a .310/.311" dia. barrel. There seems to be a lot of mixing and matching still going on and many people don't seem to see what it means for accuracy, let alone safety.
That said, going that route, wouldn't be my choice. About the most power you can get from the AR-15 platform is the WSSM's. Which is a relatively easy changeover because you change the follower in a standard magazine and single stack WSSM cases instead of double stacking .223/5.56 cases. At a greatly reduced capacity, of course. The next less powerful option is one of the cases based on the BR case. Until very recently, there were no magazines made specifically for this case. Feeding an AR was quite problematic. Now, BR technologies offers a reliable magazine for this cartridge in what ever caliber one might choose. The other thing with this class of cartridges is, it's too powerful for the basic bolt/BCG to handle at full BR pressures. You need a stronger bolt. AR15 Performance http://www.ar15performance.com/ and BR Technologies http://www.bratrifles.com/ have both come up with separate solutions that both work.
The next class down in case power is the 6.8 SPC and the 6.5 Grendel. Like the BR's, they have obviously had the bolt faces having to be reamed out for the case head. However, these two do not need an upsized bolt. If not shooting long range, they are capacity-wise about as equal as equal gets. It doesn't mean a dime of difference if you load hunting bullets into either case. However, 6.8 SPC is much more plentiful on the shelf. Both are obtainable online and in bulk too. 6.5 has the advantage of more brass available as you can fireform 7.62x39 brass. There are several makers of reloadable brass.
Lastly is something based off the standard .223/5.56 case. A 77 or 75 gr. .224" bullet loads and feeds fine in an AR. If you really want to go heavy there are the Whisper cartridges. Although, they push really heavy bullets, everything they push is pretty slow and you need to do a lot of trajectory corrections with them. The one I see on the shelf almost exclusively is the .300 AAC (basically the .300 Whisper) pushing a 115 gr. bullet @ 2000. The only value I see with these, is if you want to use a suppressor. They put a lot of energy on target, but take a rainbow to get there.
-hope that helps0
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