Building a Glock 30
To preface this thread I need to tell you that I live in the
U.S.S.R. of Massachusetts. The Glock 30s are not sold in the
state because the pistol asn't submitted for the stupid drop test.
However, I can legally purchase the frame from say Glockmiester
and the other components from wherever and once assembled
I have 7 days to register the piece. Now that you know where
I live what would you recommend. The purpose is to be a basic
subcompact carry pistol. I look forward to reading all your greater
expertise and once assembled I have already contacted
a gunsmith who specializes in Glocks to check piece out before I
blow off my hand. Thank you for your time and input.
U.S.S.R. of Massachusetts. The Glock 30s are not sold in the
state because the pistol asn't submitted for the stupid drop test.
However, I can legally purchase the frame from say Glockmiester
and the other components from wherever and once assembled
I have 7 days to register the piece. Now that you know where
I live what would you recommend. The purpose is to be a basic
subcompact carry pistol. I look forward to reading all your greater
expertise and once assembled I have already contacted
a gunsmith who specializes in Glocks to check piece out before I
blow off my hand. Thank you for your time and input.
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From ownership experience of a Glock 29, which is the same sized pistol, I will tell you, that even though they call it a sub-compact, is is not a sub-compact in size. It is only a compact. If you truly want something that is more concealable, go with the single stack 36, or a Kahr CW 45.
It is hard to beat a Glock, and don't get me wrong, the 29/30 Glocks are small for their chamberings. However, personally for myself, I would want something more concealable for my CCW use.
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I like my Glock 30. I have installed a Wolff recoil spring system. I like their choice of recoil spring strength. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Valjean256
To preface this thread I need to tell you that I live in the
U.S.S.R. of Massachusetts. The Glock 30s are not sold in the
state because the pistol asn't submitted for the stupid drop test.
However, I can legally purchase the frame from say Glockmiester
and the other components from wherever and once assembled
I have 7 days to register the piece. Now that you know where
I live what would you recommend. The purpose is to be a basic
subcompact carry pistol. I look forward to reading all your greater
expertise and once assembled I have already contacted
a gunsmith who specializes in Glocks to check piece out before I
blow off my hand. Thank you for your time and input.
Buy the gun, have seller ship frame in one package and the slide, barrel, recoil spring and magazines in another box shipped a day or two later...... will that meet the laws for your purposes?0 -
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you cannot import any pistol that is semi automatic and had the ability to accept magazines of greater than 10rds capacity into this state unless it meets the requirements of BOTH 940c.m.r. and 180mgl68b. the frame is the gun. all the other parts are irrelevant. you will be importing a gun into this state that has not been tested and approved by the ag.
new guns cannot and will not meet these requirements unless that have been tested. the only exception is law enforcement sales.
if you can find a dealer who will do the transfer for you(they do exist), you will likely be able to skate by provided you never have to use the gun in your defense and you never get stopped with it in your possession by a cop who know what hes talking about and has a hard on for mass compliance.
bottom line is no, there is no loophole you(a non leo im assuming) can exploit that makes it legal.0 -
quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
you cannot import any pistol that is semi automatic and had the ability to accept magazines of greater than 10rds capacity into this state unless it meets the requirements of BOTH 940c.m.r. and 180mgl68b. the frame is the gun. all the other parts are irrelevant. you will be importing a gun into this state that has not been tested and approved by the ag.
new guns cannot and will not meet these requirements unless that have been tested. the only exception is law enforcement sales.
if you can find a dealer who will do the transfer for you(they do exist), you will likely be able to skate by provided you never have to use the gun in your defense and you never get stopped with it in your possession by a cop who know what hes talking about and has a hard on for mass compliance.
bottom line is no, there is no loophole you(a non leo im assuming) can exploit that makes it legal.
The Glock 30 only has a magazine capacity of 9.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
you cannot import any pistol that is semi automatic and had the ability to accept magazines of greater than 10rds capacity into this state unless it meets the requirements of BOTH 940c.m.r. and 180mgl68b. the frame is the gun. all the other parts are irrelevant. you will be importing a gun into this state that has not been tested and approved by the ag.
new guns cannot and will not meet these requirements unless that have been tested. the only exception is law enforcement sales.
if you can find a dealer who will do the transfer for you(they do exist), you will likely be able to skate by provided you never have to use the gun in your defense and you never get stopped with it in your possession by a cop who know what hes talking about and has a hard on for mass compliance.
bottom line is no, there is no loophole you(a non leo im assuming) can exploit that makes it legal.
The Glock 30 only has a magazine capacity of 9.
very true, but the glock 30 will readily accept a glock 21 magazine which has a capacity of 13rds. thus, the glock 30 "has the ability to accept a ammunition feeding device of greater than 10 rounds capacity" and is not mass compliant unless tested.
did that red bit above sound like bureaucratic legalese thats would be found in the official wording of a law? thats probably because it's a quote right from the law.0 -
Is the Glock 21 approved?
If so you could cut - shorten the grip to accept Glock 30 mags.
Seems to be a common mod these days for Glock 17 owners - cut to grip to accept glock 19 mags.
Figure with an IWB holster, the barrel is hidden but the grip sticks out.
http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/pictures.html
Mid way down the page:
http://www.robarguns.com/glock.htm
"Grip Shortening Package
This package offers you the convenience of using both high capacity and subcompact magazines in your standard frame Glock pistol. We combine a backstrap and frontstrap reduction with grip shortening and texturing to enable a Glock 21, for example, to use Glock 30 compact magazines. The section of grip we remove from the pistol is permanently attached to a full size magazine, textured to match. Now, you have a truly convertible system giving you the best of both worlds depending on your requirements."0 -
I recommend that you talk to your local dealer before you do anything else.
Neither Glockmeister, not any other dealer or distributor, will ship the frame of any modern firearm directly to you. They will ship it to your dealer, who will then transfer it to you according to the laws of the state of MA.
I think Kevd is wrong; I don't think your local dealer will transfer to you the frame of a handgun that, complete, cannot legally be imported into the state. But, I would love to have you prove me wrong: Come back when you can say to us, "I talked to my local dealer, & he said he would transfer the frame of a Glock 30 to me."
Otherwise, you may just have to resign yourself to the fact that you can only buy guns that your dealer is willing & able to get for you.
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This topic (Glock compliance in MA) is a mess, and even talking about it raises my blood pressure.
To summarize really quickly, there are two sets of gun laws applicable in MA: There is State law, which provides a list of "approved" guns that are legally importable into the state.
See here:
http://www.mass.gov/eopss/firearms-reg-and-laws/frb/approved-rosters/
And here in particular for approved guns:
http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/chsb/firearms/approved-weapons-roster-4-2012.pdf
**Note that the Glock 30 *IS* on the explicit State-approved list** There is no STATE law against importing Glock 30s into MA.
There there are the (IMO blatantly illegal) Attorney General "regulations" that further restrict which guns can be imported. The AG has deliberately avoided publishing a list of which guns do and don't meet her criteria, so as to ensure maximum confusion and difficulty in bringing in guns.
See here: http://www.mass.gov/ago/government-resources/ags-regulations/940-cmr-1600.html
See here for more discussion from GOAL, the MA-State gun group:
http://goal.org/handgunsales.html
These AG restrictions effectively prohibit the importation of any new Glock pistol into MA **BY DEALERS**, except for certain ones under certain circumstances. EG, Glocks are too unsafe for ordinary citizens to possess, though you'll find one in the holster of most law enforcement officers in the Commonwealth of MA. Guns that were once in MA, can legally be brought back into the State.
Anyway, to get to the bottom line, if you can find a DEALER willing to sign off a bare Glock frame to you, you can import the frame and build your gun.
That actually might be possible. . .good luck finding such a dealer.
There probably are Glock 30s in state legally imported by LEOs. Again, good luck finding one for sale, and if you do, be prepared to pay 50% more for it, than you would for a comparable one in a "free" state.
Four Seasons firearms in Woburn MA tends to have lots of MA-complant guns in stock. Give Carl there a call and tell him what you are after, and maybe he can help you.
Edit Responding to below, quote:KevD18:
there are dealers(three that i know of) that have been openly violating the ag's regulations on handgun sales. they are more or less daring the ag to take them to charge them with it. so far, coakley hasnt had the nuts to walk into court. we shall see.
I've heard this as well; that there are a few dealers who are fed up with the AG and aren't following her regulations. (Incidentally, Coakley isn't the one who established them; it was her predecessor, though she hasn't seen fit to reverse his regulations and she's still in charge).
There was one dealer in particular, who was happy to sell me a gray-zone MA-compliant Kel Tec that was imported into the state after the '98 rules came into law, but before the MA powers that be actually started to enforce them. And yes. . .I won it on auction right here on Gunbroker!
I've also heard of a few law enforcement that have been know to order guns for "personal" use, decide they didn't like then, and wouldn't you know it, the guns got sold to licensed MA gun owners.
I think Coakley doesn't want to push too hard here, because she knows her "regulations" lack the power of law, and even within the liberal MA judiciary system, there is a real chance she'll lose meaning she'll lose all ability to regulate guns. As mentioned, there is already a highly restrictive and highly explicity MA State framework specifying a limited number of guns that can be "imported" into MA, so I think a very clear case can be made that the legislature has spoken here, and she is acting without authority.
Anyway, her rules only apply to sales by DEALERS. Once its in state, you can sell any gun you like within MA between legal owners in a face to face transaction; unfortunately you do have to register the sale (and therefore gun) with the state. I believe C&Rs also fall in a grey zone, so if you get a C&R license you can still import any C&R gun you like into the state.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
I think Kevd is wrong; I don't think your local dealer will transfer to you the frame of a handgun that, complete, cannot legally be imported into the state. But, I would love to have you prove me wrong: Come back when you can say to us, "I talked to my local dealer, & he said he would transfer the frame of a Glock 30 to me."
there are dealers(three that i know of) that have been openly violating the ag's regulations on handgun sales. they are more or less daring the ag to take them to charge them with it. so far, coakley hasnt had the nuts to walk into court. we shall see.
and no, i will not post those dealers names here. if you ask around, you'll get them soon enough.
that beign said, thats three dealers(that i know of) out of hundreds in the state, so they are certainly the minority.0 -
heres the problem with sales of guns that arent allowed to be sold in ma being sold ftf:
the ag's regulations have deemed that only guns that have been tested are "safe". if you ever have to use your grey area glock in a shooting, you have by the ag's definition used an unsafe gun.
good luck in a liberal anti gun massachusetts court defending youself from a shooting that was done with a gun the chief law maker in the state has said is unsafe...
now, its a questionable theory. its never been tested, so neither side has any empirical data to stand behind, but ive lived here my whole life. im a casual student of the gun laws in this state and i work in the firearms industry(albeit very, very part time; but never the less i work for an ffl in this state). i wouldnt want to be that test case...0
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