German OR RUSSIAN rifle?
Pawn shop find.
The ticket or tag on trigger gaurd says " 8MM German Mauser"
Looks very nice, bright furniture. Price $90.00
I buy. Looking at it at home with magnifing glass I see a Russian proof (Hammer and sycle) and date of 1939.
What have I got. I don't have camera...it has looks like built in10 round mag. Elevator sights. Metal curved butt plate. Wood stock all out to almost 3 inches of barrel. It has a cleaning rod. Oh, the chromed bolt is straight. The barrel looks chromed lined also. Straight stock, no pistol grip. The bolt has got a big knarled manel release for reliving firing pin/ status. Entire rifle about 48" in lenghth. The sling is interesting.In the butt , it actully has a port it fits through. The front also attaches through the fore end through a brass or metal eye.
How think ye?
I'll try and find pics of 1939 circa military rifles, but your help will be great too. Do you think this is indeed a 8MM?
The ticket or tag on trigger gaurd says " 8MM German Mauser"
Looks very nice, bright furniture. Price $90.00
I buy. Looking at it at home with magnifing glass I see a Russian proof (Hammer and sycle) and date of 1939.
What have I got. I don't have camera...it has looks like built in10 round mag. Elevator sights. Metal curved butt plate. Wood stock all out to almost 3 inches of barrel. It has a cleaning rod. Oh, the chromed bolt is straight. The barrel looks chromed lined also. Straight stock, no pistol grip. The bolt has got a big knarled manel release for reliving firing pin/ status. Entire rifle about 48" in lenghth. The sling is interesting.In the butt , it actully has a port it fits through. The front also attaches through the fore end through a brass or metal eye.
How think ye?
I'll try and find pics of 1939 circa military rifles, but your help will be great too. Do you think this is indeed a 8MM?
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Well I think I've found the answer to my own question....MOSIN NAGANT Russin sniper rifle. Now, what caliber ??? 0 -
7.62x54R, it sounds like the tag was incorrect. 0 -
Without optics, IT IS NOT A SNIPER RIFLE. 0 -
Without a bent bolt, it is not a sniper rifle. 0 -
you guys know your stuff. Indeed ..7262 x54R
no glass
straight bolt0 -
Does it look like this? 
That's a Mosin Nagant rifle, the standard Russian infantry rifle for around 50 years.
Magazine holds 5 rounds, and these can be fed from stripper clips. So far as I know the bolt is plain steel (not chromed). I've never seen one with a chromed barrel, but if yours LOOKS chromed, that's a good sign . . .lots of these guns have absolutely crappy barrels from being shot with corroded ammo and not cleaned properly afterwards in harsh wartime conditions.
There were literally millions of them made, and there are ton of "re-arsenalled" (that means refurbished and "prettified") ones floating around.
I believe some small number of these actually were converted to take the 8mm Mauser round both by the Germans and by the Poles, though the likelihood of you finding one like that in a Pawn Shop for $90 is negligible.
If you do have one of the wartime-converted 8mm ones, though, its going to have some collectors' interest and probably be worth quite a bit more than the $90 you paid. If all you have is the "regular" Mosin, don't worry. The going rate for them is about $90 each, so you didn't get "screwed" here.
They're great "beater" guns, tough as nails, and the ammo is as powerful as a .30-06 with surplus ammo being cheap and readily available.
Edit: The Mosin Nagant rifle has historical significance to me, because my grandfather actually was a Russian Sniper during WWII, and he received the "Order of Lenin" for valor after being wounded by German mortar fire at the Battle of Stalingrad (that battle fictionally depicted in the movie "Enemy at the Gates"). No. . .he wasn't "Vasily Zaitzev", though there is some real chance that he was trained by him, knew him, or knew of him. He passed many years ago, so I'll never know.
Anyway, this gun isn't as slick as a Mauser, nor as ergnomic as any modern gun, but with an added buttpad, the shortened carbine version of this gun makes a great "truck" or deer gun, and I do have one I keep for this purpose.0 -
Thanks to all for good answers:
BEANTOWNSHOT... Thats the rifle !!!! I see in the search mode here this rifle is a darling of yours and your very familiar with it. Thanks for the valueble info.0 -
Continued case of people selling guns and ammo that they have no idea what they are selling, the gun is obviously a Russian 91/30. Just went to Gander Mountain and looked at their used gun table, they had 3 SKS's, two Yugo and one Chi-com that the tag said "maker Unknown", really sad to see. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ammo guy
Continued case of people selling guns and ammo that they have no idea what they are selling, the gun is obviously a Russian 91/30. Just went to Gander Mountain and looked at their used gun table, they had 3 SKS's, two Yugo and one Chi-com that the tag said "maker Unknown", really sad to see.
Yep, and what tickles me the most is that when you point out to the pawn shop/store idiots actually what the weapon correctly is...they will sometimes argue with you (me). Really funny but since I don't do "stupid" I usually just smile and walk away.0 -
I lucked out in a local gun shop. They had a MAK90 labeled as a WASR10 for $300. Their loss- my gain as the MAK90 is better built. 0
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