Siderlock trigger for G26
So I gets my Siderlock trigger for my Glock
and install it.
The trigger doesn't reset all the time or very
few times.
I thought it was me so I emailed the company
and they told me that trigger bar
manufacturing tolerances on the low side can
prevent the device from working.
Their directions say to put the trigger
end of the bar in a vice and bend it open
no more than .040.
Is this a wise move?
Also I cracked the orig trigger trying to get the
pivot pin out.
Thanks Ron
and install it.
The trigger doesn't reset all the time or very
few times.
I thought it was me so I emailed the company
and they told me that trigger bar
manufacturing tolerances on the low side can
prevent the device from working.
Their directions say to put the trigger
end of the bar in a vice and bend it open
no more than .040.
Is this a wise move?
Also I cracked the orig trigger trying to get the
pivot pin out.
Thanks Ron
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If you don't trust the Glock trigger system enough to carry it factory stock, sell it and carry a revolver. You are going to mess up a perfectly reliable, great self defense gun 0 -
Don't tell me what I should do from your
point of view.
If you don't have a respectful answer to my
question-Shut your Pie hole![:(!]0 -
I remember the post regarding the "safety" of the Glocks (or lack thereof), and it looks like you're adding an additional "safety" to it? (sigh) Honestly, don't you think that it would be standard if it was needed? If you practice the rules, you'll be just fine.
Looking at the lit on the "Siderlock" trigger, you will have to push the safety housed in the actual trigger to "off" before you shoot... this means VIOLATING A CARDINAL RULE OF GUN SAFETY; PUTTING YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER BEFORE YOU'RE READY TO SHOOT!!! If you think a Glock is unsafe before, this makes it 10x as unsafe!
Since this is a carry/defense gun, do you think for one minute that you'll remember to do this, or more importantly even be able to do this, if you're under the stress of an immediate threat? Since thought is replaced by instinct (read realistic and continuous training and practice) and fine motor skills are the first thing to go under stress, I bet Navy SEALS would have an issue doing this when suprised and suddenly attacked. For Mr. and Mrs. average CCW getting mugged at knifepoint in the parking lot of the supermarket? Good luck.
I gotta agree with what M1aguy said; if you're terrified of the Glock then sell it and buy a nice 4-inch S&W model 10 .38 special. You'll be more comfortable and confident with your defense gun of choice, which truly means the world when it really matters.0 -
Glocks are the simplest pistols to take down. If you cracked the trigger, what does the frame look like [?][?] The pins just push out with the right size punch [;)]
You must have bent the trigger bar or don't have the springs in the right places.0 -
The pivot pin on the glock
trigger
has only one hole. Therefore one
has to push the pin thru the plastic
and create a hole.
Now would you bend the trigger bar as
Siderlock recommends ?0 -
I would recommend taking it to a GLOCK certified armorer if you are going to carry it
if it's a race gun for the range then, yeah, i guess go nuts and bend the internals0 -
quote:Originally posted by rong
Don't tell me what I should do from your
point of view.
If you don't have a respectful answer to my
question-Shut your Pie hole![:(!]
He's right. The fact that you don't like it and or don't want to hear t doesn't diminish the fact that he's right.0 -
I don't understand where you're
coming from?
Yes that was a Nasty response on my part
but unfortunately, it's been fired.
The Glock is a kiss gun but to remove the trigger,
not the trigger assy. One has to create a "push thru" hole
for the pivot pin as there is only one hole on one
side.
Plus,Plus, if I feel better with an external
safety on my CCW, don't I have a right
to install one and feel more secure carrying one?
If all you folks are trying to change my mind
and know better than I ,what I want/need to feel
a bit safer. Isn't that what you squawk about
re: the Gov't ,except on a much smaller degree?0 -
Rong; We're not trying to bash you personally, you posted a quiery and you're getting honest responses. I think all we are trying to do is state the obvious; you're clearly NOT comfortable with the tool you've chosen to carry to defend your life or the life of others. That's OK, many people are in the same boat. However, as an instructor in the game I recommend that people become very proficient with their carry guns, including knowing the ins-and-outs of safe operation intimately. If this doesn't do it with a particular pistol; I recommend finding a handgun that does fit the bill. IMO that is a hell of a lot more reasonable then adding pieces and parts to an existing gun in an attempt to make it what it clearly is not, and never was intened to be.
Look, here are the facts as you've presented them:
#1) You're leery of the Glock's safety system, and feel that it is unsafe as it sits as a CCW. You've chosen to carry your CCW Glock mag-full, chamber empty, and still feel that it needs more "safties" to make it "safe." You've bought a "siderlock", which is a plastic sliding button that is installed on the trigger of the Glock which renders it immobile ("safe")until the button on the trigger is depressed.
#2) This modification that not only requires your partial disassembly of the gun's most important mechanisim (fire control) to to install, but apparently doesn't even work when installed per the directions. You contact the company and ask why it doesn't work. The company tells you to "bend" in a vise parts that are currently in-factory-spec (Clearly, as the gun fired and the trigger reset just fine before this device was added) to a state that is now "out-of-factory-spec" so the aftermarket part "works?" That doesn't sound just the least bit odd (and unsafe?) to you?
#2) The mod you're doing makes you put your finger on the trigger to go "off safe", then put the finger back on the trigger to actually fire... so you're forced to use "fine motor skills" to manipulate a button on the side of the ONE part of the gun that makes it fire. Not on the slide, on the grip, or on the frame, but on the side of the trigger? THAT is about as unsafe as it gets!
#3) The trigger is now damaged from performing this modification. You need a new one, no if's ands or buts.
#4) Since you're hell-bent on doing this, which is your right, be 100% honest with yourself: will you now have MORE confidence in the tool you've modified yourself to be there to work and defend you when it REALLY matters? Especially since you've added parts that really do make it more confusing, and more dangerous to operate, than originally manufactured? I'm not talking about going to the no-stress range and punching some paper, nor in your garage manipulating the Glock in occasional dry-fire practice; but when it's your immediate and unexpected defensive actions with this tool that is there to save your bacon or the lives of your loved ones? If the answer is yes, then get it to someone who knows what they're doing with the Glock and have this thing put on. If the answer is no, go out and find a gun that fits the bill out of the box and learn it, learn it, learn it.
Good luck, and stay safe!0 -
#1) You're leery of the Glock's safety system, and feel that it is unsafe as it sits as a CCW. You've chosen to carry your CCW Glock mag-full, chamber empty, and still feel that it needs more "safties" to make it "safe." You've bought a "siderlock", which is a plastic sliding button that is installed on the trigger of the Glock which renders it immobile ("safe")until the button on the trigger is depressed.
Rio, I want to install this ext safety so that I will and feel
comfortable to carry a round chambered.
I've carried most of my adult life and some before so
I am not a stranger around guns.
I like the glock- have 3 others- amd for my
carry gun,I want the comfort of a ext safety.
I had an officers model 1911 and put a lot of money into
it but it was just too heavy.
With this addition ,I'll have the best of 2 worlds.
ron0 -
quote:Originally posted by rong
#1) You're leery of the Glock's safety system, and feel that it is unsafe as it sits as a CCW. You've chosen to carry your CCW Glock mag-full, chamber empty, and still feel that it needs more "safties" to make it "safe." You've bought a "siderlock", which is a plastic sliding button that is installed on the trigger of the Glock which renders it immobile ("safe")until the button on the trigger is depressed.
Rio, I want to install this ext safety so that I will and feel
comfortable to carry a round chambered.
I've carried most of my adult life and some before so
I am not a stranger around guns.
I like the glock- have 3 others- amd for my
carry gun,I want the comfort of a ext safety.
I had an officers model 1911 and put a lot of money into
it but it was just too heavy.
With this addition ,I'll have the best of 2 worlds.
ron
If you are comfortable with a 1911, but just want a lighter gun, then put your Glock back together with factory parts, and have this safety installed on it:
http://www.tarnhelm.com/GlockSafety.html0 -
Rong,
I understand your point, and I get why you're adding the device. It's clear they sell these things to people with the same concerns you have.
IMO if you're concerned about chambered carry safety, leave the gun alone and carry it unchambered/loaded mag. It it still going to take time, effort, practice and two hands to rack/chamber if you're forced to draw and fire. But IMO that's better than tinkering with an unreliable aftermarket device that reqires trigger-area manipulation to activate at first, then to de-activate at the moment of stress. I just can't believe that this thing is being sold as a "safety device" when it is contrary to every firearm safety teaching I have been exposed to.
(Here's another item for thought; since you have other Glocks, will your others also be so-modified? If not, you're going to be in a world of hurt remembering which is which when it counts because you're going to react to what you've been familiar with. Under stress, people always fall back on what they've been trained in, and if they're not sufficently trained they fall back on what they know.)
That slide-lock safety M1aguy put up is a much better idea. It will be much MUCH safer to activate/de activate with your fingers away from the trigger and will be more familiar to you under stress. IMO anything is better than Mickey-Mousing the trigger system on your Glocks no matter what the companies lit has on their website.
Whatever you choose to do; good luck, become proficient with your choice, and hopefully you'll never, ever be placed in a situation where you need to use it (but at least you'll have it and be confident with what you have!) [:)]0 -
All fixed.
The tab on the rear side of the trigger lock
was too long and dragged on the frame.
As far as mixing guns up-no way.
I figure same as a shotgun, rifle or
whatever, cross bolt safety,tang safety
or hammer safety.
Always cognizant of what gun I'm carrying.
You guys don't get it,I upgraded my carry
gun one level of safety.
You fellows prolly don't like the Marlin rifle
cross bolt safety.I love it,another level of safety
when loading and unloading the rifle.
Yes,someone almost shot me in the foot trying to
put his Winchester on half cock.The little pieces
of grit from the bullet hitting the ground
stuck in just above my ankle.
Best thing in the world putting another level
of safety on levers.
Do I rely on these safeties?, absolutely not!
but it's nice to have them.
I've been shooting for 50yrs and want to continue.
I don't turn a blind eye or let testosterone
get in the way of an improvement.0 -
i hope it works out for you. i truly do. and by that i mean i hope you never need your gun because if you do, theres too many studies that demonstrate hardwired behavior that over rule your theory of "always being aware of the gun you're carrying" that say you're going to fumble it.
i hope im wrong...0 -
Rong I do get it. I'm not letting testosterone or ego get in my way, nor am I faulting you for your beliefs...I was stating my opinion on your question. You asked if it was a wise move, I thought not and said so and why. No hard feelings, and no disrespect ever was intended. [8D]
A little background: I'm certainly not the Lord's gift to shooting, but I do have somewhere near 37 years behind a gun; the last 21 and counting includes daily carry both on-duty and off. I also teach sworn (and non-sworn) basic and advanced handgun, shotgun and rifle tactics, I'm a team leader on our SRT unit, and as an armorer help oversee the guns we use here (Which includes 60+ Glocks, 60+ Mini 14's, 1911's, S&W M&P's, also 2 different models of MP-5 and several full auto M-4's, semi-AR 15's to name a few).
My personal "collection" includes roughly 80 long and short arms, including center and/or rim fires of just about every action type imaginable. I'm not even going to get into the numerous investigations of criminal firearm related asaults, homicides, and officer involved shootings I have been a part of over 21 years; or my expert testimony in Courts on firearms, my competition shooting in IPSC type and SASS matches, countless demos of new arms and rounds for duty and off duty use I've participated in, etc.
All I'm trying to say is I didn't fall off the turnip truck last month, nor do I take as gospel all that is in print or on line regarding arms. I think I draw from a decent well of personal knowledge, and CCW is certainly one subject I have years of experience in, both training and real-world.(Now if you asked me about sheep hunting in the mountains, I can state what calibers I think would work well, but believe me that well has very little water in it!)
I wouldn't post if I didn't think I had something to add, and I won't post to degrade anyone on GB unless they're really asking for it. You aren't, you have a legit question that I tried to answer in as real-world a manner as I can. You can call the siderlock installation "upgrading one level of safety", I call it "a fundamental change in the operation of the Glock pistol in a manner that appears contrary to safe gun handling." Unlike, say de-activating a mag safety on a S&W 5906 or deactivating the grip safety on a 1911; the siderlock is an operating change that, whether you like it or not, will require much additional training and practice to become second nature to you in a situation where time to fumble and think doesn't always exist. This can be an even bigger issue when you have other Glocks that you shoot, but without the same trigger safety mods. (I think that's what KEV and M1a were also stating.) In any case; Good luck, and safe shooting!0 -
I am always safe,thank you for your concern. 0 -
Many aren't aware that Glock has manufactured several external safety equipped pistols over the years, they just don't offer this feature within the US due to heavy investment in their 'Glock Safe Action' marketing campaign in this market. Offering an external safety option would shoot this entire sales point in the foot. 
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