Silencer for AR-15
I am thinking seriously of getting a silencer for my AR-15. I know the process is involved. My question is where to start? Do I contact ATF? A dealer or whom? Also any suggestions on brands/dealers for good quality silencers. Thanks.
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Did not know they made sub-sonic 223.
Contact a class 3 dealer to see what is available and how much it will cost. If you are still interested I am sure they can help you with the process.0 -
We just had a thread about subsonic loads in a 5.56 X 45 AR. They have definite drawbacks. At this link.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=568271
On the other hand if you use standard loads in the AR, Muzzle velocity is over 3000 FPS, and the suppressor can't due anything to muffle the bullet "crack", as that is above the speed of sound.
You might consider an AR specifically chambered for the 300 Blackout cartridge. It was designed to be used with a suppressor. The suppressed bullet weighs approximately 210 grains, with a muzzle velocity under the speed of sound.
A cartridge loaded with a 120 grain bullet, can also be fired in an AR chambered for the 300 Blackout. It has the same ballistics as the Russian AK cartridge.0 -
telohf,
The best thing to do, is find a Class III dealer in your area. They will help you not only with the equipment, but also with the paperwork.
Conversly, you do not need a sub-sonic round to run a supressor. The supressor actually acts like a muffler, to quiet the combustion noise. This leaves the super sonic crack, of a projectile that is traveling at once, twice, or even three times the speed of sound. The shooter will not hear much of it, just living things down range when the bullet approaches or goes by, from the sound wave. It does quiet the "BOOM", or "BANG" of combustion gases considerably.
I shot a 308 with a can, down at Scottsdale, and to the shooter, it sounded like a big spring piston air rifle.
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A silencer (or suppressor in the modern jargon) muffles the muzzle blast, hides the flash, and reduces recoil on a rifle. The supersonic crack remains but if you are in a business where it matters, it is not very directional and does not give away your location.
I have not shot a big gun silencer but standing beside the shooter, I still want ear protection. It is not THAT quiet.0 -
The purpose of a suppressor on rifles like the 5.56 AR is only to quieten sound originating from the gun itself. As has been stated the bullet will cause a supersonic crack as it travels through the air, but due to no muzzle flash combined with greatly reduced muzzle blast and sound the location of it's origin is concealed.
To achieve true suppressed fire out of an AR platform rifle requires either a caliber change or use of subsonic 5.56, which reduces the rifle's power/range to down in the neighborhood of a .22LR.0 -
i shoot a silencer on my ar-15s all the time. no hearing protection. also shoot a silencer on my 308 ar's. no hearing protection needed. also shoot a silencer on my 50bmg, again no hearing protection needed. the worst part about silencers on ar's , is the gas you get back in your face. i reload my own subsonci rds for my bolt action 308, and it is quieter than a air rifle. 0 -
There are many companies that make sound supressors for the AR platform. Some are quite good. As mentioned above, the 5.56 round is supersonic.
If you are the "Target", you hear the crack of the projectile breaking the sound barrier as it goes by you. It is not awfully loud, but does make noise & it makes you pucker up.
There is noise also at the weapon's location.
1) You still hear some blast, but it is greatly reduced. You can hear the "Crack" of the sound barrier being broken, but it is hard for the enemy to determine where your location is because they hear the crack near their position.
2)You hear the noise of the bolt operating (which is quite loud in some circumstances).
3) A lot of the visible blast is reduced, good for night firing.
Best place to start is with a dealer. You pay the $200.00 & price of the supressor. The dealer will submit the paperwork you have filled out. Then you wait. When the ownership form is approved, the dealer will receive your copy with your photo on it and the Tax Stamp affixed to the paperwork. If the Feds turn you down, you are supposed to get the purchase price (minus any charges the dealer might charge for submitting the papers).0 -
Ok, thanks for all the info. Im not sure of any dealers in my area so I will do some research. Basically what I want the suppressor for is muzzle blast and noise reduction. I know that the supersonic stuff wont be all that much more silent. I will look into finding a quality dealer and go from there. Thanks 0 -
Surefire makes some good stuff. like everything they make it's pricy, but works well. Here's a link to one I've fired:
http://www.surefire.com/fa556-212-suppressor.html0 -
telohf,
We're using suppressors from several manufacturers but the best one so far is this one:
Mack Brothers Varminter 2.0
http://dakotasilencer.com/the-varminter-silencer-2-0-mack-brothers/
The adapter which is threaded onto the barrel muzzle is true genius for ease of attachment and removal. On top of that we shot benchrest size groups with this set up at an evening match at ShotShow.
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