ar15 charging handle
i have a Sig 516 and wanted to replace the charging handle with a Badger Ordnance left handed charging handle. The problem is the bolt carrier binds up. The original handles moves freely, but the Badger is tough to move. Do they make different sizes? They look identical, the Badger is a hair longer.
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I should have said the Badger handle moves freely, but not with the bolt carrier. 0 -
Not everyones rifle's are compatable with AR-15 type parts. they might look the same, or look close to the same. The only sure way to tell, is to measure the intermating parts, with a dial, or digital caliper.
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quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
Not everyones rifle's are compatable with AR-15 type parts. they might look the same, or look close to the same. The only sure way to tell, is to measure the intermating parts, with a dial, or digital caliper.
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So what your saying is that it's hit or miss as far as ar15 parts are concerned.0 -
No, I am saying that the Sig might have slightly different parts. Not everything that resembles an AR-15, is an AR-15, on the inside. The Sig 516, is that companies attempt to 1 up the AR-15 design, or sell parts, that are proprietary.
Everyone tries to put their own spin on it...gas piston, carbon fiber reciever's, etc...Professional Ordnance, before being sold to Bushmaster, had the Carbon 15. Looked just like an AR-15 type rifle, except that it had carbon fiber recievers, different buffer tube, different bolt carrier, different bolt.
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The only standard in AR-type rifles is when a manufacturer makes parts to "M16 milspec".
Sig specifications for the 516 indicate that the trigger is "mil-spec". I infer from that information that nothing else can be expected to interchange.
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quote:Originally posted by Simple Man
i have a Sig 516 and wanted to replace the charging handle with a Badger Ordnance left handed charging handle. The problem is the bolt carrier binds up. The original handles moves freely, but the Badger is tough to move. Do they make different sizes? They look identical, the Badger is a hair longer.
From the above, there are probably only minor dimensional differences between the Badger Charging Handle and the original one. Cover the Badger handle with ink from a Sharpie pen. Put it back in the rifle, and rack the bolt carrier back and forth. Very carefully, use emery cloth to remove the wear points as shown where the ink from the Sharpie pin is missing.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
The only standard in AR-type rifles is when a manufacturer makes parts to "M16 milspec".
Sig specifications for the 516 indicate that the trigger is "mil-spec". I infer from that information that nothing else can be expected to interchange.
Neal
In the real world, 'milspec' is often used as a marketing buzzword to mislead the buyer.
It's common practice for aftermarket AR and AR parts manufacturers to use this term despite the fact that the product only has an element or two which in fact meet this highly detailed, DoD accepted standard.
As dishonest as it sounds, among firearms manufacturers it's accepted practice that even if only one or two parts are in fact manufactured to US military specifications they'll commonly refer to their entire product as a milspec rifle.
Simply looking at this Badger Ordnance charging handle is an example of this practice. It's extended/ambidextrous latch design clearly is not the US military specified M16 part design, so there's really no guarantee what other elements are in fact milspec - such as it's dimensions. In reality, it could be that they refer to this item as milspec only due to the specific type of metal used.
You have to also keep in mind that these same issues apply to that SIG rifle itself.
As with all firearms and parts which aren't genuine US military issue items, minor fitting may be required when mixing manufacturer's parts/components.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
The only standard in AR-type rifles is when a manufacturer makes parts to "M16 milspec".
Sig specifications for the 516 indicate that the trigger is "mil-spec". I infer from that information that nothing else can be expected to interchange.
Neal
Cant argue with that good point Neal, it is either 'milspec' or its not, for a company to make claims of being 'milspec' that isn't would be too easily dis-proven and open to being troll subjugated by the tdp authenticity gestapo.
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
quote:Originally posted by Simple Man
i have a Sig 516 and wanted to replace the charging handle with a Badger Ordnance left handed charging handle. The problem is the bolt carrier binds up. The original handles moves freely, but the Badger is tough to move. Do they make different sizes? They look identical, the Badger is a hair longer.
From the above, there are probably only minor dimensional differences between the Badger Charging Handle and the original one. Cover the Badger handle with ink from a Sharpie pen. Put it back in the rifle, and rack the bolt carrier back and forth. Very carefully, use emery cloth to remove the wear points as shown where the ink from the Sharpie pin is missing.
Good idea rufe-snow, simple but useful and would be good for other part fittings as well, apparently not everything needs the technological micrometer all the time.
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quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
quote:Originally posted by Simple Man
i have a Sig 516 and wanted to replace the charging handle with a Badger Ordnance left handed charging handle. The problem is the bolt carrier binds up. The original handles moves freely, but the Badger is tough to move. Do they make different sizes? They look identical, the Badger is a hair longer.
From the above, there are probably only minor dimensional differences between the Badger Charging Handle and the original one. Cover the Badger handle with ink from a Sharpie pen. Put it back in the rifle, and rack the bolt carrier back and forth. Very carefully, use emery cloth to remove the wear points as shown where the ink from the Sharpie pin is missing.
I tried your trick. There were drag marks all the way down the inside of the charging handle. Don't know if I'm able to mill it down without destroying it. But I'll try.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
The only standard in AR-type rifles is when a manufacturer makes parts to "M16 milspec".
Sig specifications for the 516 indicate that the trigger is "mil-spec". I infer from that information that nothing else can be expected to interchange.
Neal
Cant argue with that good point Neal, it is either 'milspec' or its not, for a company to make claims of being 'milspec' that isn't would be too easily dis-proven and open to being troll subjugated by the tdp authenticity gestapo.
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
quote:Originally posted by Simple Man
i have a Sig 516 and wanted to replace the charging handle with a Badger Ordnance left handed charging handle. The problem is the bolt carrier binds up. The original handles moves freely, but the Badger is tough to move. Do they make different sizes? They look identical, the Badger is a hair longer.
From the above, there are probably only minor dimensional differences between the Badger Charging Handle and the original one. Cover the Badger handle with ink from a Sharpie pen. Put it back in the rifle, and rack the bolt carrier back and forth. Very carefully, use emery cloth to remove the wear points as shown where the ink from the Sharpie pin is missing.
Good idea rufe-snow, simple but useful and would be good for other part fittings as well, apparently not everything needs the technological micrometer all the time.Regards
Lets not forget that these parts in question, are made out of aluminum. Technically speaking, hardcoat anodized aluminum. The anodizing, provides the resistance to wear, and lubricity, so these are not like fitting steel parts to steel. The proverbial micrometer, or calipers are the best , and only way to do this job, as if you remove the anodizing, the part is virtually destroyed, and will not be useful anywhere else. That is why we use measuring devices, because if they don't fit, they don't fit, and there is no making them fit, with any long term, or possibly even short teerm use.
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