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M1 Carbine Question

Snigley
The Inland parts kit from the gunshow is now mated with the Iver Johnson receiver and I went through a whole mag today without a hitch.
But I do have a question. The receiver is marked:

Iver Johnson
N J

According to BlueBook (and some other pubs), IJ did not produce a M1 carbine until 1985. Yet this receiver is marked for New Jersey and IJ only manufactured there from '75-'82.

Can anyone explain this obvious descrepancy (other than the reference pubs are AFU)?.
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  • Snigley
    I realize this question may be to wide in perimeters, but I've always wanted to have a "collector" M1 carbine. So many are listed with many variations so if it is feasible to reply I'd appreciate it.
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  • Spartacus
    quote:I purchased an M1 carbine through the NRA ($60.00 with included 1000 rounds of ammo).

    I didn't know NRA sold M1's, but at that price, I wish i did!!
    Mark will be along shortly


    tom
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  • nmyers
    Some carbines shipped through the Director of Civilian Marksmanship were, in fact, all original; some were even new. W (only) on the barrel may mean that it is a Winchester barrel, as does the W on many parts. High quality photos would be needed to tell you more, as thumbnails are too small to tell much of anything.

    The procedure for posting photos:
    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294

    It may be best for you to buy an inexpensive paperback, US M1 Carbines, Wartime Production by Craig Riesch. It describes the shape & markings on every little part of your carbine.

    Neal

    EDIT1: Nice job with the full size photos. The poor fit of the recoil plate & distorted screw slot indicates an amateur has been working on it, so....we still need photos of the serial number, rear sight, barrel band, handguard, all stock markings, trigger group, etc.
    EDIT2: Most carbine barrels are stamped with the month/date of manufacturer; the appropriate barrel depends upon the SN & manufacturer. Winchester did not make replacement barrels, so yours is likely original. Carbines were assembled from finished parts. Same finish on all parts often indicates a refinish.
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  • bartman45
    I have one my father bought from the DCM in '63 for $17,50 + $2.50 shipping. I still have it and it is an Inland from '44 in excellent condition. Stock, however,is from Rockola. Invoice shows shipped from Anniston Army depot, Alabama.
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  • gruntled
    I ordered one too late. I still have the form they sent me saying they were sold out.
    It says, " NRA will continue to accept purchase requests and place them on a waiting list. ...... Your record number appears on the front of this special message."

    When the new carbines became available I sent an E-mail asking if they would honor the old orders.

    I recieved the following reply. "I appreciate the humor..... However -if you send the order to my attention and include whatever documention you have showing the backorder status....we'll hand select the carbine to ship to you."
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  • thorhammer
    To answer your question, your barrel is a winchester, to know if it's an original to the receiver would be unknown. The arsenal could have replaced it with another winchester barrel. It's a moot point since anyone would now consider it original to the receiver. Carbine barrels were not dated like Garand barrels which can be dated by serial # compared to barrel date.

    I wouldn't be concerned about it unless the color between them were way off.
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  • Snigley
    Thanks for the information guys. The only piece that is off color is the piece pictured that holds the action in the stock. Since it doesn't appear to be a Winchester stock, that's not surprising.
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  • Emmett Dunham
    With out the serial number there is no way to tell if the barrel is original to the receiver. The front band could have been put on in a rebuild. The screw holding the receiver into the stock is not Winchester. The early Winchesters had dates on them the later production are marked as yours is. Also the late Winchester came with the bayonet lug on them. You need a lot more pictures and serial number to get a value on the rifle.

    Emmett
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