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Should FFL be sent to shipping dealer, or seller?

FortWorthJake
I'm a non-dealer who has completed about a dozen sales on GB over the past several years. Buyers have always sent a copy of the FFL with original signature to me (this is per GB's instructions to buyers.) I keep a copy for my records to show where it went. Of course, I now have to ship handguns through a local FFL since UPS and FedEx effectively put the screws on handgun shipment by non-licensees.

I have been going in circles for over a week with a buyer who insists his FFL has to send it directly to mine. Is this some new legal requirement, or even customary? I have never had a buyer even suggest, much less insist, on doing things this way. Aside from keeping for my records, I think it's much easier for all if payment and FFL are kept together.

Thanks.
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  • bpost
    He is wrong; the receiving FFL should be sent along with payment, it can also be emailed.
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  • duckhunter
    Depends on the buyers state. Some folks go NUTS when they think you are going to use their ffl to buy guns.
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  • nmyers
    That's pretty common; a lot of FFL's will not hand over a copy of their FFL to the customer. They insist on mailing it themselves to the seller. Worse than that, some FFL's will only accept a gun from another FFL, not a nonlicensee; I hope you advised the buyer that you are a nonlicensee.

    My FFL makes it a little more complicated; he insists on emailing a copy of his license (as a Word attachment) to the seller. This is perfectly acceptable to ATF, but some FFL's still want a photocopy in the mail.

    As far as I know, a nonlicensee can still ship a handgun by UPS & Fedex. UPS will only accept firearms at their hub (or by pickup). Fedex is the same, plus you can ship any firearm from a Fedex Office store.

    Neal
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  • fordsix
    i belive he is refering to the huge fees UPS/fedex charges for handgun shipping
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  • llama
    Seller Bob
    Buyer Joe

    Neither Bob or Joe are licensees

    Joe sends Bob payment and copy of his receiving FFLs license. Bob goes to his local FFL, hands him gun, the copy of the receiving FFLs license, and some $. FFL enters Bob's gun on his "aquired" list w/ Bob's info as the source, then enters the gun and Joe's receiving FFL info on his "disposition" list with Joe's receiving FFL's info as the destination, and retains copy of FFL for his records.

    If Bob will be sending direct to Joe's receiving FFL, he doesn't need a copy of the FFL license - just the "magic numbers" needed to run the EZ Check on it. Bob can then send a long gun via USPS or a handgun via UPS/FedEx *if* Joe's receiving FFL will accept from a non-licensee (either by preference or by law).
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  • andrewsw16
    quote:Originally posted by fordsix
    i belive he is refering to the huge fees UPS/fedex charges for handgun shipping

    Only if you play their game. Just a couple of weeks ago I shipped a .357 revolver from western NV to NY by UPS Ground. $18 was all it took. [:)]
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  • llama
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    quote:Originally posted by fordsix
    i belive he is refering to the huge fees UPS/fedex charges for handgun shipping

    Only if you play their game. Just a couple of weeks ago I shipped a .357 revolver from western NV to NY by UPS Ground. $18 was all it took. [:)]


    And if you had needed to file an insurance claim, you would've been SOL.
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  • andrewsw16
    Nope. It was already covered on my own policy with USAA. [:)] I don't need UPS or FedEx insurance. People are foolish to rely on that. They have a BAD reputation of fighting most claims with the position that if it got broken it was because YOU didn't pack it well enough and if it got lost, YOU didn't address it correctly. Yep. When shipping guns I always use my own insurance. They are much more cooperative. [:D] Besides, I go overboard on my quality of packing and addressing and they have never ever lost any of my packages. [:D]

    Answering question below. No, I online edit my valuable property rider on my homeowner's policy. In this case I didn't even have to do that as it wasn't a sale, but a shipment of one of my revolvers back to the factory for some repair work.
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  • CS8161
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    Nope. It was already covered on my own policy with USAA. [:)] I don't need UPS or FedEx insurance. People are foolish to rely on that. They have a BAD reputation of fighting most claims with the position that if it got broken it was because YOU didn't pack it well enough and if it got lost, YOU didn't address it correctly. Yep. When shipping guns I always use my own insurance. They are much more cooperative. [:D] Besides, I go overboard on my quality of packing and addressing and they have never ever lost any of my packages. [:D]


    How do you do that? Do you need to call your homeowners insurance company every time you want to ship a gun?
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  • FortWorthJake
    Thanks for all the replies. He finally found an FFL that would handle things my way.

    I didn't know UPS would ship handguns. Back in 2005 I showed up at a hub (40-mile round trip for me) with two handguns and a smug p---k said they would not ship, period. FedEx was pretty reasonable back then so I used them.

    When I last researched, it looked like FedEx priority overnight was my only option, and that looks like it runs about $50 to have a letter delivered across the street.
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