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.460 S&W / .454 Casull / .45 (Long) Colt

callktulu
I know these cartridges are similar to the relationship between .357 Magnum, .38 Special, and .327 Magnum, where the "smallest" ones can usually be fired from the "larger," but not vice-versa. This is usually due to chamber length limitations, and sometimes also because of the difference with and associated dangers of pressure/power.

My question is this...all other things being equal (barrel/frame strength, etc.), can firearms such as a Taurus Judge or S&W Governor, which have chamners designed to hold both a .45 Colt & 410 bore shot cartridges, also fire a .460 S&W and/or .454 Casull?

I'm guessing the answer is no, but I figued I'd ask. TIA.
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  • llama
    Well... they can fire it at least once!

    THe problem is pressure containment... sure the 410 is waaay longer, but it is also a much lower pressure round than even the 45lc.

    So while they are all dimensionally the same except length, the 454 and 460 operate at higher and higher pressures... one of the reasons they lengthen the case, so you don't accidentally load 'em up in a 45lc.
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  • callktulu
    quote:Originally posted by llama

    So while they are all dimensionally the same except length, the 454 and 460 operate at higher and higher pressures... one of the reasons they lengthen the case, so you don't accidentally load 'em up in a 45lc.

    Right, but a Judge revolver with a 3" cylinder would hold a .454 Casull, wouldn't it?
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  • Hawk Carse
    I have read that the chamber is cut so as to not accept .454 Casull.
    I would not try, if it went in and fired, it would likely demolish the gun with about triple its design pressure.
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  • Riomouse911
    Taurus makes a "Raging Judge" for 454-45C-410. Not for .460.

    Like anything else; someone, somewhere, will be dumb enough to do this. And shortly afterwards some attorney will be right there to try and profit from that stupidity.
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  • tsr1965
    Most of the 45/410 guns, have chamber's cut, so they will not accept the 454 Casull, let alone the 460 S&W. With the Judge or Governor, I would not even consider shooting a 454 in them, even if they were so marked you could. There is just too much free bore there for that bullet to get a running start, before it gets to the forcing cone, and subsequentially, the lands of the rifling.

    If you want to be able to use all three of the listed rounds in a revolver, then get one chambered for 460 S&W.

    Best
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  • rufe-snow
    Taurus cylinders have a internal flange/shoulder machined in them to prevent 454 Casull/460 S & W cartridges from chambering. Years ago when I owned a Judge, I verified this with a fired .460 case and a dial caliper. As one of the previous posters noted though, Taurus sells one version now that will also chamber the 454Casull along with the .45 LC.
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  • CS8161
    quote:Originally posted by callktulu
    I know these cartridges are similar to the relationship between .357 Magnum, .38 Special, and .327 Magnum, where the "smallest" ones can usually be fired from the "larger," but not vice-versa. This is usually due to chamber length limitations, and sometimes also because of the difference with and associated dangers of pressure/power.

    My question is this...all other things being equal (barrel/frame strength, etc.), can firearms such as a Taurus Judge or S&W Governor, which have chamners designed to hold both a .45 Colt & 410 bore shot cartridges, also fire a .460 S&W and/or .454 Casull?

    I'm guessing the answer is no, but I figued I'd ask. TIA.


    Can not use a 327 in a 38 Special or 357 Mag.
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  • callktulu
    Yeah, my bad. I don't know why I was thinking that. Poor terminology understanding on my part.[V]
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  • rsnyder55
    quote:Originally posted by CS8161
    quote:Originally posted by callktulu
    I know these cartridges are similar to the relationship between .357 Magnum, .38 Special, and .327 Magnum, where the "smallest" ones can usually be fired from the "larger," but not vice-versa. This is usually due to chamber length limitations, and sometimes also because of the difference with and associated dangers of pressure/power.

    My question is this...all other things being equal (barrel/frame strength, etc.), can firearms such as a Taurus Judge or S&W Governor, which have chamners designed to hold both a .45 Colt & 410 bore shot cartridges, also fire a .460 S&W and/or .454 Casull?

    I'm guessing the answer is no, but I figued I'd ask. TIA.


    Can not use a 327 in a 38 Special or 357 Mag.


    Possibly thinking of a 357Max
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  • Riomouse911
    ya..32 long,.32 H&R, .327 Federal...38 Spl, .357 Mag .357 max. etc...

    Here's a Raging Judge .454/.45C/.410for sale (one of many)http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=295278309
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  • beantownshootah
    No, the regular Taurus Judge won't fire a .460 SW or a .454 Casull.

    The gun is designed to take those rounds, which operate at MUCH higher pressures than .45LC and would probably detonate the gun like a hand grenade.

    There *is* a .454 Casull "Raging Judge" Taurus revolver that will also take .45LC and .410 shotshells, though I honestly can't think of a good reason to buy one.

    Why ruin such a nice hunting cartridge by firing it through such a lousy platform?

    Also, FWIW, the .357 magnum "family" of cartridges includes:

    .357 Remington maximum >.357 SW magnum > .38 SW special > .38 long colt > .38 short.

    Any of the smaller rounds can be fired through a revolver with an equal or longer cylinder, though you may see some degradation of accuracy with increasing cylinder-barrel gap jump ("free bore") with short rounds in long cylinders.
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