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M1 Carbine evaluation

marcus396
Standard Products , have not had a chance to look at it yet, but this is all the info I have. Does that plate on the stock look like a repair? Overall condition does not look that good. Judging by pictures, what seems wrong, , example: sights, lug, etc. , I am not familiar with the M1 Carbine, but I know it was made in Port Clinton Oh, and 247k were made. Its coming up for sale soon and I need some feed back on opinions and value. thanks marc m1carbine.png
By marcus396 at 2012-07-13m1stock.png
By marcus396 at 2012-07-13
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By marcus396 at 2012-07-13

EDIT: i appreciate all the feed back. I did call the auctioneer, and all he knows , It was not an import, and it was in a trunk along with other vintage guns, ww2 items, japanese rifle, , german 22 singleshot rifle, most are in bad shape and need tlc. He is still discovering boxes from this estate. The ederly lady is 93 and her late husband was a WW2 vet and had a lot of items he aquired. HE said he would try to get me any other numbers he could find on the M1 but they are under lock and key till day of sale. I am going to show today and ILL grab a M1 carbine book, thanks so much for the info. I will post any thing i find out,
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  • CDMead
    Based upon serial number tables that rifle was probably manufactured in the July to August 1943 timeframe.

    I would ask about the barrel markings. If it's an original barrel, IMHO, it should date around May to June 1943. I would also ask about other barrel markings. If it's marked something like "Blue Sky Productions" that's from a group of Korean carbines that were imported circa early to mid 1990s. Most were very well used.

    The sights on the rifle are original World War II configuration. The piece in front of the rear sight bothers me. If it is a scope mount and the receiver was tapped, that would lower the value as a collector considerably.

    I would suggest the metal plate on the stock is a repair. IIRC, military repairs do not look like that, but I could be wrong.

    If I had to guess based upon the overall visible condition, I would suggest this rifle probably was arsenal rebuilt after World War II, well used and at some point converted back to original configuration.

    If the condition of the bore is good, I would consider this rifle as a shooter.

    Good luck. YMMV.
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  • nmyers
    Based on the things we KNOW are bad, & the many questions which are unanswered, it's unlikely to be worth taking a chance on this carbine. I might be willing to pay $200, but that's "taking a wild chance". USGI parts are just too expensive today.

    It would be best to educate yourself with a copy of Craig Riesch's book, US M1 Carbine: Wartime Production.

    Neal
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  • thorhammer
    The carbine seems to have it's original rear sight. The sling is WWII original(if marked w/mfg's name) than it's worth $100. The block in front of the sight is the operating slide held open. The handguard is a type III, a later one with 4 rivets instead of 2. The other side would show if it's a low or highwood stock, can't tell and the repair would substantially lower it's value. It would also be very hard to resell again, unless you had a source for a Standard Products stock.

    Also consider that all parts are marked by the different manufacturers and getting a correct parts gun could be difficult.

    I would not go over $500 for it
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  • CDMead
    Ok. I see the operating rod now.

    If the rear sight is original it should be staked into place.

    The tabs on the sling (by the snap attachment) are of the "C" type which would be correct for early to mid World War II. As Thorhammer said, there should be a maker's mark on the webbing. There also should be a mark on the oiler indicating manufacturer. Please note, there have been replicas made of the slings and oilers, some better than others.

    I'm still concerned this is a well used Blue Sky import. That may or may not be bad as there were some good ones.

    I would certainly want to see a picture of the right side of the rifle at a minimum and get a bore check before I make any commitment.

    I'm probably with Thorhammer on this, at no more than $500.
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  • xxx97
    push button mag release...look on the bottom of the barrel in really small print for bluesky (thinking virginia),original rear site is nice...barrel was probably changed out,no lug visible...
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  • Emmett Dunham
    Looks like a Winchester post war or replacement stock. If the forearm area is flat and there are three holes under the butt plate W. The real value of the carbine is the total amount of the parts. The rear sight if original could be worth 150.00 and up according to the markings on it if it is not a fake. Each part is marked and according to the total value of parts you have equals the value. 500.00 with out taking a close look at the rifle.

    Emmett
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  • Spartacus
    it's no cream puff, but if the barrel is decent, it's a $3-400 gun.
    getting hard to find a decent carbine these days.
    would be a good starter gun.....
    jmho
    tom
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  • marcus396
    solt 1275. plate on stock was repaired job, plate on both sides. looked like s-hb stamped stock, bbl seen flaming bomb on top by front sight, could not tell date or mfg due to patina, no markings on sling anywhere. It would have been a nice one to have, but stock and over all condition, i was not interested. thanks for all the replys, great help. did get several war department tech manuals for vehicle repair,. engines trans, fuel system, electrical, chassis,pto, lubrication, engineer soldier's handbook and 4 mait, manuals for Ford , 1/4 ton 4x4, chevrolet 1 1/2 ton LC 4x4 , GM 2 1/2 ton 6x6, and Dodge 1/2 ton 4x4 all built for the US Army and GOVT, dated 1940-41. They are very interesting to read. Marc
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