Winchester model 12
Looking for a model 12 in 20ga. or 12ga. made in 1953. What ser. # range would I be looking for?
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Can a winchester model 12 12 gauge 2 3/4" chamber be modified ( have chamber lenghtened) to shoot 3" shells
The reason i ask is i own a model 12 roit gun (watts commemorative edition[:D]) which is in like new condition. I would like to purchase a extra barrel/ mag,forearm which i see a lot of on ebay. I would like to have a spare duck gun realize the new set up will have to be fitted .What i really wanted was a 12 heavy duck
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Are you sure the first character in the serial number is an "L", or is it a "1". If a "1" it was made 1960 according to Dave Riffle. 0 -
The first digit is a "1" even though it looks like an "L". Your friend's Model 12 was manufactured in March of 1960.
The Cody Firearms Museum has the Polishing Room serialization records for Model 1912/12 serial numbers 1 - 1970885.0 -
So L is 1? His grandfather got this gun in 1944?? 0 -
Take a picture of the serial no. That will tell the story. The only letter I have seen on Winchesters in the serial number is the X, for duplicate.......or a post 64 gun. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigcountry_75214
So L is 1? His grandfather got this gun in 1944??
Yes, the "L" is actually a "1". The same anomaly occurred on several different Winchester Models, e.g. the Model 1892, 1894, and 1897 to name a few. For the Model 1894, it is frequently seen in the 100,000 - 118,000 serial number range, and then again in the 1,270,000 - 1,320,000 serial range, and it most often occurs with the leading "1" digit, though in the 100,000 range, I have observed serial numbers with multiple "L" digits in them (e.g. LL5L07, which is really 115107).
No, it is not possible that he got that particular gun in 1944. As I previously stated, it is a 1960 vintage (manufactured) gun.0 -
I think that gramps might have got a model 12 in 1944 but not that one. I just gave my nephew a 29A Remington that was bought by my uncle in 1929. Box, hanging tags, owners card plus I'm writing up its history as I told by my dad. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by bigcountry_75214
So L is 1? His grandfather got this gun in 1944??
Yes, the "L" is actually a "1". The same anomaly occurred on several different Winchester Models, e.g. the Model 1892, 1894, and 1897 to name a few. For the Model 1894, it is frequently seen in the 100,000 - 118,000 serial number range, and then again in the 1,270,000 - 1,320,000 serial range, and it most often occurs with the leading "1" digit, though in the 100,000 range, I have observed serial numbers with multiple "L" digits in them (e.g. LL5L07, which is really 115107).
No, it is not possible that he got that particular gun in 1944. As I previously stated, it is a 1960 vintage (manufactured) gun.
You lose some credibility when you talk to people like that. If you want to be the judge and jury on all things winchester, you need to chill out a bit.
Anything is possible.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by bigcountry_75214
So L is 1? His grandfather got this gun in 1944??
Yes, the "L" is actually a "1". The same anomaly occurred on several different Winchester Models, e.g. the Model 1892, 1894, and 1897 to name a few. For the Model 1894, it is frequently seen in the 100,000 - 118,000 serial number range, and then again in the 1,270,000 - 1,320,000 serial range, and it most often occurs with the leading "1" digit, though in the 100,000 range, I have observed serial numbers with multiple "L" digits in them (e.g. LL5L07, which is really 115107).
No, it is not possible that he got that particular gun in 1944. As I previously stated, it is a 1960 vintage (manufactured) gun.
You lose some credibility when you talk to people like that. If you want to be the judge and jury on all things winchester, you need to chill out a bit.
Anything is possible.
Todd,
In this case it is you that is out of line, and your credibility that is in question.
Please explain to me and the rest of the GB readers how Winchester Model 12 serial number 1893240 could have possibly been manufactured and purchased in the year 1944[?] Please keep in mind that I am looking at the original Winchester Polishing Room records, which show me that it was manufactured on March 28th, 1960.
In this case, "Anything is not possible".0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by bigcountry_75214
So L is 1? His grandfather got this gun in 1944??
Yes, the "L" is actually a "1". The same anomaly occurred on several different Winchester Models, e.g. the Model 1892, 1894, and 1897 to name a few. For the Model 1894, it is frequently seen in the 100,000 - 118,000 serial number range, and then again in the 1,270,000 - 1,320,000 serial range, and it most often occurs with the leading "1" digit, though in the 100,000 range, I have observed serial numbers with multiple "L" digits in them (e.g. LL5L07, which is really 115107).
No, it is not possible that he got that particular gun in 1944. As I previously stated, it is a 1960 vintage (manufactured) gun.
You lose some credibility when you talk to people like that. If you want to be the judge and jury on all things winchester, you need to chill out a bit.
Anything is possible.
Todd,
In this case it is you that is out of line, and your credibility that is in question.
Please explain to me and the rest of the GB readers how Winchester Model 12 serial number 1893240 could have possibly been manufactured and purchased in the year 1944[?] Please keep in mind that I am looking at the original Winchester Polishing Room records, which show me that it was manufactured on March 28th, 1960.
In this case, "Anything is not possible".
Bert, I got no credibility here to question.... [:D]
It's possible that Larry buys a 1941 m12 in 1944 and and stamps an "L" before seial number instead of writing his name on the receiver?
I could give 10 more "possibilities".0 -
Todd,
Now you are really reaching for the moon.
The leading "L" digit is a well known and a very common anomaly. It was not "Larry" who stamped it on the gun, or any other far-fetched explanation for that matter.0 -
The fine folks at Cody have told me personally "you can never rule anything out or assume anything when dealing with old winchesters." 0
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