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Winchester 1886 with Telescopic Sight?

Juggernaut
Does anyone own a Winchester 1886 with a telescopic sight, if so what mounts did you use and overall how does it perform in that manner having the top ejection port, as I don't believe that the Winchester 1886 has the angle ejection?
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  • Hawk Carse
    I don't have or want one, but there have been side mounts made for Winchester lever actions that offset the scope enough to allow top ejection. Makes it hard to get a cheekweld unless you strap on a thick pad.
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  • BUCKAWHO
    Hi....The Winchester 1886 was discontinued long before Winchester started to drill the receivers to accomodate peep sights. These drilled and tapped holes also allowed some manufacturers to design scope mounts that bolted to the receiver side. USRA also continued the practice of drilling the receivers for side mounts and peep sights, and with the development of the Angle Eject, the receivers were drilled on the top to allow scopes to be mounted above the receiver. I have some of each, and have never experienced any problem with "cheek weld" with them. You would not want to drill and tap holes into the receiver of an older original model 1886, as that would ruin the value for most collectors. A Japan-made model might be a better choice to mount a scope on. BT
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  • andrewsw16
    Perhaps something like a scout scope or pistol scope. Something with a long eye relief, mounted far enough forward so as not to interfere with ejection.
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  • tsr1965
    Juggernaut,

    I have 5 model 1886 Winchester rifles not. Two predate 1900, one is 1906, all three Winchester's, and the other two are 1999, and 2006 Takedown, and Takedown Deluxe, respectively, Japan made rifles. All of them chambered in 45-70.

    I am considering putting a Malcolm Long scope on one of the two Japan made rifles. They would use mounting blocks where the rear and front sight dovetails are located.

    I will keep you posted if/when I do.

    Best

    EDIT 1

    The New models, that are made in Japan, by Miroku, do not have angle eject. That was only encorperated on one model, the model 94, and that was produced by USRAC, in the old Winchester plant, in New Haven, CT.

    EDIT 2

    Bert,

    That is exactly what I was considering, and moving the scope forward, if there was an ejection problem, just enough to eliminate it.

    Now off to spend some $$...

    Thanks Bert[:D][:D][:D]!
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  • Juggernaut
    quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
    I don't have or want one, but there have been side mounts made for Winchester lever actions that offset the scope enough to allow top ejection. Makes it hard to get a cheekweld unless you strap on a thick pad.


    Do you know of any quality mounts that might work?

    quote:Originally posted by BUCKAWHO
    Hi....The Winchester 1886 was discontinued long before Winchester started to drill the receivers to accomodate peep sights. These drilled and tapped holes also allowed some manufacturers to design scope mounts that bolted to the receiver side. USRA also continued the practice of drilling the receivers for side mounts and peep sights, and with the development of the Angle Eject, the receivers were drilled on the top to allow scopes to be mounted above the receiver. I have some of each, and have never experienced any problem with "cheek weld" with them. You would not want to drill and tap holes into the receiver of an older original model 1886, as that would ruin the value for most collectors. A Japan-made model might be a better choice to mount a scope on. BT


    No, this would be for a new Winchester 1886 and still haven't confirmed if the new models have the angle ejection which would be an improvement imo. I need a good quality side mount for a telescopic sight like the Leatherwood Wm. Malcolm telecopic sight but no one seems to have one for the Winchester 1886.

    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    Perhaps something like a scout scope or pistol scope. Something with a long eye relief, mounted far enough forward so as not to interfere with ejection.


    I am not fond of scout type scope setups really and would prefer a good quality side mount.


    Regards
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  • Hawk Carse
    The modern Miroku 1886s are not angle eject.

    Williams makes a side mount with slightly offset scope placement for top eject lever actions. See page 22 in their catalog at:
    http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/pdf/2012_Catalog.pdf
    You would have to have it drilled and tapped; Williams charges $80-$95 for that.

    I am sure a real gunsmith could flange something up with a Malcolm. It would be a lot easier to mount their 18" tube scope. They have an offset base for it that would likely clear ejection.
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  • kimi
    Steve Earle, (see following link), makes reproduction Bennett Offset Scope adapters, (original ones were patented by William Bennett and manufactured by Winchester, and are marked as such): http://steveearleproducts.com/otherscopemounts.html

    Notice that in Earle's description the Bennett adapters were made for use with the Winchester A5 scopes and '03's and lever guns, and they might be compatible with the Leatherwood Malcolm scope mounts like the ones pictured with their Malcom scope here, but I am not sure this is the case: http://www.opticsplanet.net/leatherwood-hilux-wm-malcom-17-inch-shorter-telescopic-riflescope-w-mount.html

    Whatever mount and scope combination you come up with, just make sure that you are able to obtain a comfortable eye-relief.

    Added: The 24 to 30 inch scopes were primarily for target use, and a plus for using them would be not having to drill the gun for mounting them. Sniping, hunting, and target type scopes used also for hunting were usually 18 inches or less. Some early Winchester lever action rifles had the receivers drilled on the sides for the rear mount; most of these were for offsetting the scopes, and John W. Sidle and Malcolm mounts were probably the most popular, especially during the 1900-1910 period.
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  • Juggernaut
    quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
    The modern Miroku 1886s are not angle eject.
    Williams makes a side mount with slightly offset scope placement for top eject lever actions. See page 22 in their catalog at:
    http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/pdf/2012_Catalog.pdf
    You would have to have it drilled and tapped; Williams charges $80-$95 for that.
    I am sure a real gunsmith could flange something up with a Malcolm. It would be a lot easier to mount their 18" tube scope. They have an offset base for it that would likely clear ejection.


    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    Steve Earle, (see following link), makes reproduction Bennett Offset Scope adapters, (original ones were patented by William Bennett and manufactured by Winchester, and are marked as such): http://steveearleproducts.com/otherscopemounts.html
    Notice that in Earle's description the Bennett adapters were made for use with the Winchester A5 scopes and '03's and lever guns, and they might be compatible with the Leatherwood Malcolm scope mounts like the ones pictured with their Malcom scope here, but I am not sure this is the case: http://www.opticsplanet.net/leatherwood-hilux-wm-malcom-17-inch-shorter-telescopic-riflescope-w-mount.html
    Whatever mount and scope combination you come up with, just make sure that you are able to obtain a comfortable eye-relief.


    Thanks for the information, I will check into these options.
    Regards
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  • Bert H.
    First, I do not know very much about the "new" Model 1886 Rifles. On the very scarce few original Model 1886 Rifles that were scoped, full length telescopes (Malcolm, Stevens, etc.) were mounted using the front and rear sight dovetail slots for the telescope mount bases. If it were me, that it what I would opt for.
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  • Juggernaut
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    Added: The 24 to 30 inch scopes were primarily for target use, and a plus for using them would be not having to drill the gun for mounting them. Sniping, hunting, and target type scopes used also for hunting were usually 18 inches or less. Some early Winchester lever action rifles had the receivers drilled on the sides for the rear mount; most of these were for offsetting the scopes, and John W. Sidle and Malcolm mounts were probably the most popular, especially during the 1900-1910 period.Okay thanks for that, there is some good information on this thread and most of which should be a good reference.

    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    First, I do not know very much about the "new" Model 1886 Rifles. On the very scarce few original Model 1886 Rifles that were scoped, full length telescopes (Malcolm, Stevens, etc.) were mounted using the front and rear sight dovetail slots for the telescope mount bases. If it were me, that it what I would opt for.
    I was probably going to use the WM Malcolm 6x telescopic sight...

    Was there some sort of deflection shield used being that the ejected cases come straight out and not at an angle, or was there another option or fix for that?

    Any particular mounts that you would recommend?

    Thanks and regards.
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