Springfield XD question
Ok i know you can replace a 40cal barrle to a 357sig but i was reading
that a 9mm could also be droped in i have never heard of that before and
thinking its not true but wanted some input from some of you.
thanks
taz
that a 9mm could also be droped in i have never heard of that before and
thinking its not true but wanted some input from some of you.
thanks
taz
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A friend of mine had an accidental discharge with his Springfield XD in 45 acp. I was standing close to him when this happened, he bumped the gun, didn't grip it. Is there any history of XDs having an accidental discharge problem? I know they are a striker fired knockoff of the Glock, and I know of the problems Glock had when they first came out.
Can any of you shed some unbiased light on this?
Thank you.
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ya have to pull the trigger on these to have a discharge ..just like how did the cop have a acidental discharge with the glock???i mean they are striker fired never cocked and locked 0 -
Perhaps a broken firing pin. they have a life time warranty. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
A friend of mine had an accidental discharge with his Springfield XD in 45 acp. I was standing close to him when this happened, he bumped the gun, didn't grip it. Is there any history of XDs having an accidental discharge problem? I know they are a striker fired knockoff of the Glock, and I know of the problems Glock had when they first came out.
Can any of you shed some unbiased light on this?
Thank you.
W.D.
First of all, the XD isn't a "striker fired knockoff of the Glock".
As mentioned, the Glock is also striker fired, but the internal mechanisms of the two are somewhat different.
At "rest" the Glock striker is only partially cocked, and should lack the energy to set of a round until the trigger is pulled. In contrast, once the slide is racked, the striker on an XD is fully cocked, having enough energy to set off a round. So in a sense, a loaded XD *IS* "cocked and locked", though unlike the Glock, the XD has a grip safety.
Various iterations of Glock pistols have/had various issues, but so far as I know going off without pulling the trigger was never one of them.
Anyway, to answer the question, no I've never heard of this problem with the XD pistols. Broken firing pin doesn't really explain this. A firing pin has very little mass. If a gun has a broken pin typically it won't go off at all.
Bad grip safety doesn't explain it either. Even though at "rest" the XD striker is fully cocked, the XD has a firing pin block, which locks the firing pin in place unless the trigger is pulled back.
So either this particular gun has MORE than one mechanical problem deactivating more than one safety system (ie broken firing pin block AND grip safety), or this "accidental" discharge was a "negligent" one.
Are you **SURE** his finger wasn't on the trigger?
I can't imagine how just a bump could set off one of these guns, but if that's true, the gun is badly defective, and needs to be sent back to Springfield immediately.
Edit: I suppose some bad "Bubba" gunsmithing with incorrect parts assembly could do this, but that's not really the gun or manufacturer's fault. Was this gun modified in any way?
Does it otherwise function OK? Can you get the striker to go off AGAIN just by banging the gun? (Please don't try this with live ammo!).0 -
I have tested this in a controlled and safe environment and was unable to get either the glock or springfield xd to fire from being severely jarred. I personally am not a plastic gun person and prefer metal however if I were I would own either without reservation. Both the glock and springfield xd are well made quality weapons which both have several safeties engineered into their unique designs and of those safeties would prevent the problem that you have described. However this doesn't explain your friends accident and if he didn't as you say accidentally discharge the weapon by hand then someone tampered with it as both glock and springfield test their weapons thoroughly before they ship. It would be almost inconceivable for that incident described as it was to have occurred in that manner without some form of negligence involved. And the glock and the springfield while having some similarities are different designs as there would have been lawsuits involved by now if one company had copied the other.
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was it in his hand or in his holster 0 -
The gun was in his pocket, not the best idea, as he learned.
I watched the whole thing happen, he did not put his hand on the gun, he may have toughed the grip, but he didn't put his hand on the gun. There has been no trigger work done to the gun.
I have done some research over the last few days, and have found some cases of XDs discharging as a result of the grip safety being depressed. These are documented incidents.
I am just trying to find anyone else who has first hand information about failures, not stupid attacks. This is for the guy's own peace off mind, not a lawsuit.
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it there was nothing else wrong with the gun best guess without inspecting the gun; something got caught on the trigger in his pocket. if he pushed the gun forward from the outside and it pushed in the grip safety while being caught it would go off.doesn't sound likely but striker fired pistols have special needs as do cocked and locked 1911's as well as others. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
The gun was in his pocket, not the best idea, as he learned.
I watched the whole thing happen, he did not put his hand on the gun, he may have toughed the grip, but he didn't put his hand on the gun. There has been no trigger work done to the gun.
I have done some research over the last few days, and have found some cases of XDs discharging as a result of the grip safety being depressed. These are documented incidents.
I am just trying to find anyone else who has first hand information about failures, not stupid attacks. This is for the guy's own peace off mind, not a lawsuit.
W.D.
Huh, not sure what you mean or who was being attacked with 'stupid attack's' as that doesn't make much sense and thought that this conversation was concerning reported catastrophic failures in a quality made pistol...Its only logical to attempt to determine what happened by deductive reasoning and the collection of facts...
Anyway was the pistol in question purchased factory new unused in the box and not a return or 'blemished reject deal' or something if that applies?
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quote:Originally posted by CapnMidnight
The gun was in his pocket, not the best idea, as he learned.
I watched the whole thing happen, he did not put his hand on the gun, he may have toughed the grip, but he didn't put his hand on the gun.
Well, either he DID touch the gun or he didn't. There is no in-between.
If what you describe is correct, then I'd imagine the grip safety was depressed from being in his pocket *AND* he did something else to manipulate the trigger.
For example, if there were ANYTHING else in his pocket, it might have been pressing on the trigger. At that point the slightest movement by him could set off the gun. Was there? If so, that's your best explanation.
So far as I know, this is the only way the gun can go off. "Just" depressing the grip safety should NOT set the gun off because of the trigger block safety, which, again, locks the firing pin in place unless the trigger is fully depressed.
At least its supposed to. . .if the gun isn't defective. Is it? Don't know.
I suppose its possible that grit or grime getting into the guns action might have frozen the trigger block in the "unlocked" position, though I haven't ever heard of this happening. Also, its possible the trigger block safety itself was defective from the factory, broken, or damaged/bypassed through "bubba" gunsmithing. Is the gun absolutely stock or has any work been done on it?
Your friend will need to have this gun checked out by Springfield thoroughly.
Also, needless to say, the preferred safe way to carry these striker fired guns is in a holster that covers the triggerguard.
Personally, I wouldn't carry any single-action gun (like an XD, but also a 1911) cocked in a pocket. That's why double-action guns exist!
quote:I have done some research over the last few days, and have found some cases of XDs discharging as a result of the grip safety being depressed. These are documented incidents.
Documented how. . .by anecdotal reports on the internet?
Lots of people who have negligent discharges aren't even aware of what they've done to set off the gun.
For example, I've seen an internet report when someone swore up and down that his .44 magnum revolver would "double" with one trigger pull. . .even though that's physically impossible. (IE the hammer MUST be cocked between shots, not just to set off the next round, but also to advance the cylinder!). Turned out the guy was reflexively squeezing the trigger a second time from recoil.
If it were truly "documented" that unmodified XDs could go off just by pressing on the grip safety, Springfield would be looking at ruinous liability, and they'd LONG AGO have pulled every single gun off the market or offered free repairs/upgrades.
So, I'm skeptical.
quote:I am just trying to find anyone else who has first hand information about failures, not stupid attacks. This is for the guy's own peace off mind, not a lawsuit.
My comments aren't a "stupid attack".
They're criticism based on the mechanical function of the gun, and my experience with so called "accidental discharges" (most of which turn out to be "negligent").
Again, if you think this was truly an "accidental discharge" then the gun is defective. . .period. It needs to be checked out thoroughly.0 -
Didn't mean to offend, by "stupid attack" I was referring to the cause of the accidend. Read about a guy who droped the mag out of his XD, then pulled the trigger. He said that was the next procedure in the takedown instructions. Hadn't thought about clearing the chamber. You just can't cure stupib.
Thanks for everyones input.
W.D.0
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