454 casul
I have been looking at 44 mag. revolvers. I just happened to see a lot of Raging Bull guns in 454 casul. I also see revolvers in $!) and 45 LC. Now I wonder, can you chamber a 454 casul in a Judge series Taurus? Can you safely fire it? And I guess the same for the 45-70.
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to put it simply NO
there is the raging judge which is 410, 45lc, and 454 here's onehttp://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=284093194
for 45-70 and 410 there was a smaller version of the street sweeper and some judge lookalike that I can't remember the name of.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bamavol
can you chamber a 454 casul in a Judge series Taurus?
Not in the standard gun. If you can, something is wrong.
Taurus does now make a MAGNUM version of its judge that can accept .454, though for a number of reasons I won't get into here, I'd never actually buy one.
quote: Can you safely fire it?
If you were unlucky enough to get one to chamber in a standard Judge, no you would NOT want to try to fire it. .454 Casull runs at several times the operating pressure of .45LC and would probably "grenade" the gun.
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And I guess the same for the 45-70.
Yup.0 -
Thanks for the in-put. I doubt I will ever buy anything above a 44 mag but it is is confusing that a 454 will fire a 45 lc and a Judge will fire a 45 lc and a 410. So It looks like a Judge will fire a 454. I thought this could not be correct. But then I see a "Super Judge that claims to fire the 454. So this can get confusing. Then throw the 45-70 into the mix and it is crazy. I will most likely stay at 357 and below. I can afford to shoot it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bamavol
Thanks for the in-put. I doubt I will ever buy anything above a 44 mag but it is is confusing that a 454 will fire a 45 lc and a Judge will fire a 45 lc and a 410. So It looks like a Judge will fire a 454. I thought this could not be correct. But then I see a "Super Judge that claims to fire the 454. So this can get confusing. Then throw the 45-70 into the mix and it is crazy. I will most likely stay at 357 and below. I can afford to shoot it.
Its not really crazy.
.454 Casull is a "magnumized" version of the older black powder .45LC, the same way that .357 magnum is the "magnumized" version of the older .38 special, or that .44 magnum is the "magnumized" version of the .44 special/Russian.
So if you simply understand that the regular "Judge" isn't a magnum handgun, you'll see why it won't take .454.
In general .454 is a hard hitting cartridge basically for handgun hunting large game, for defense against bears (though whether or not its "better" than .44 magnum for the purpose is debatable), or for individuals who have, shall we say "small equipment" and feel the need to "compensate" with a large gun caliber!
I'd say that unless you feel the need to shoot a moose with a revolver, you probably don't "need" this. Lots of people buy these uber-magnums for novelty value, fire them once or twice, then after experiencing the harsh recoil and wallet draining effect of the ammo, put them back in the safe forever.
.45/70 is an old black powder rifle cartridge, and obviously a totally different thing altogether.
As to cost, no .44 magnum rounds aren't cheap, but non premium rounds can still be found for $0.55 each (or less), which isn't all that much more than .357 magnum, and still quite a bit less than most of the centerfire rifle round, excepting military surplus type calibers.
You *can* typically find .44 magnum at any Walmart, or Sporting Goods store, which is helpful. (Likelihood of finding even .45LC there is small; I wouldn't even waste my time looking for .454).
And .44 magnum in particular is easy to reload, and is one of the cartridges it makes the most sense to do so with. Most of the .44 mag "fans" will reload for this. Of course doing so, you can also generate weaker .44 special (which are like .45ACP powerwise) "practice" rounds if you like.0
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