Model 1890 Winchester serial number
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Please give me your thoughts on the serial number on the receiver of this gun.
It is written weird.
I think it is a prototype 3rd model.
Please give me your thoughts on the serial number on the receiver of this gun.
It is written weird.
I think it is a prototype 3rd model.
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Hello Sir: A Frankenchester. Parts rifle. The SN fonts are period correct. Not a prototype. I believe it has a 1906 receiver with a 1890 trigger guard, butt stock. The receiver SN has an "A" affix that normally is below the SN for that circa, but, ??? The third model 1906 would have originally been in .22 Short.
Thats my take.
Best, Merrill0 -
quote:Originally posted by merrbarb
Hello Sir: A Frankenchester. Parts rifle. The SN fonts are period correct. Not a prototype. I believe it has a 1906 receiver with a 1890 trigger guard, butt stock. The receiver SN has an "A" affix that normally is below the SN for that circa, but, ??? The third model 1906 would have originally been in .22 Short.
Thats my take.
Best, Merrill
A 1906 with a serial number in the 24,000 range would have the second model bolt style with concealed locking lugs, the one in question has the third model bolt style. That is the way the 1906's were until 50,000 range. And the "A" stands for 1890, the 1906's were stamped with a "B".0 -
Mr. Snapcrakle: you are wrong on both accounts.
1. For the 1906 the second model receiver was used up to the ~75,000 SN range, then taken over by the third model receiver. That is why I followed up my statement with a "?????"
2. The "A" designation (to designate the third model external locking lug) was used for the 1906 PRIOR to the "A" (1890) and "B" (1906) receiver type that was used beginning around SN 110,000 for the 1906 until the 06's end of production in 1926, or SN 685,999.
The rifle in question has a third model receiver that confounds both you and I. I have no easy explanation other than the one I proposed. The serial number could have been "adjusted" ???
The patent date for the third model "external locking lug" was 1906, which happens to jibe with the Model 1906 production date for the serial number in question. Prototypes for the 1890 third model receiver were undoubtedly made prior to that date (1906), but in 1893 ??? (I know, the seller says 1894 but he was wrong)
Both the barrel and receiver is proof marked. The receiver should not be so marked unless the replacement barrel was fitted at the factory, which could be the case.
The condition of the rifle barely warrants any more head scratching.
Merrill0 -
I am NOT talking about the serial number as if it is from 1894. I am looking at it as a serial number from 1905/06 in the 240,000 range. But in place of the last number theres an "A". Like 24X,XXA
I know the 3rd model bolt transition was around 300,000+. I am speculating that this is an early example of a third model 1890.0 -
The Model 62s circa 1935 had an "a" affix behind the serial number also. That was a third model receiver. This is an even more plausible explanation for this parts Winchester. This would also explain the proof mark on the receiver.
Lets see, a Model 62 receiver, an early model 1890 trigger guard and stock, and a late model 90 barrel, with non-original sights, a non-original cartridge carrier, a lined barrel.
Merrill0 -
That explains alot, I did not see the proof mark either.
This thing is one big mutt.0
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