henry 22
asleep at the switch and let the henry silverado 22lr get by ...anyone know if another run is in the works.????? thanks
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That is not really a big loss. It migt even be a favor. Even though they are buttery smoothe, and dressed up really nice, they are a meare pigs ear, with a silk cover. Meanig the reciever's are pot metal, that is plated, or painted. They have not been around for 40-50 years yet, and I don't expect ones that are heavily used to be servicable in 40-50 years either.
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BigLoop22,
Having been an avid firearms affictionado, for over 40 years, I do have a bit of experience. For the record, ZAMAC was used in some of the Colt Scout revolver's, and several other firearms, by several other manufactures. Jennings, and Hi-Point come to mind as just a couple outstanding brands. ZAMAC IS a Zinc bearing alloy, or pot metal, as we call it. It lends itself well to the MIM process as well, as it has a lot lower liquidous temperature than alloys with higher carbon/iron content, and less Zinc.
That said, the old addage here does apply, that you get what you pay for. I am not saying the Henry is totally unservicable to the average shooter, and I do own a GoldenBoy first year. It is one of the most accurate factory 22 rifles I ave seen. It is buttery smoothe, and somewhat reliable.
So, with that said, we can go forward from here, and view the Henry for what it is. A decently made rifle that is affordable to most budgets. Is it a Marlin 39, or Winchester 9422? No it is not, but the prices, as suggested, earlier, to the knowledgible firearms enthusiast, does suggest, not the normal homogenious metal construction.
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Bigloop22,
I have no doubt that your Henry, or anyones, including mine, will serve it's purpose well. I do know of a couple 17 HMR's, that blew chunks out of the reciever, that were replaced. So the Henry Co.'s customer service is good.
However, lining a pigs ear with silk, does not make it a silk purse. The fact that it is still made from high content Zinc bearing alloy, does immediately raise the question of durability, and quality, versus a homogenious metal gun. This does not only go for the pot metal guns, but in my case the polymer framed ones as well. It is just a feeling, of the old vs. the new, and knowing about manufacturing processes, and how companies like to cut cost.
Hope this gets the job done.
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tsr1965,
Your words on the Henry are only your opinion of that rifle. To educate yourself, and to stop doing a disservice to anyone that is enquiring about them, please look at the Erma, Ithaca, and Iver Johnson-marked leverguns that the modern Henry rimfire leverguns are based on. You will find that the oldest ones (Erma/ Ithaca) are currently 39 years old. My own experience, with my Henry H001L, is that it has more than paid for itself in the 9 years that I have owned. I have shot greater than 10,000 rounds through it, and I have had not one problem with it.Your calling it potmetal is a great disservice, too. While that term is correct, for certain alloys, the Henry uses the more properly called ZAMAC alloy for its receiver & its receiver cover. The specific ZAMAC alloy that Henry Repeating Arms Company uses is, as they say, proprietary, but it does exactly what it is supposed to do.
For the record, I own, or used to own, a few other leverguns, including:
Winchester 94
Rossi 92
Browning B-92
My Henry's fit, finish, and function are no worse than those of any of the other, above-mentioned guns. My Henry's durability is on-par with them, too. My Henry is my favorite rifle, and, perhaps, would be the last one that I would part with.
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tsr1965,
Thank you for clarifying your statements. However, mixed in with your new comments is the tone of cheapness, or lower quality, of any firearm that is made from "potmetal". You originally cited longevity & durability as reasons to choose other rifles over a modern Henry rifle. I pointed out that the Erma/ Ithaca 72 fits your criteria of being "40 - 50" years old. Old reviews of those rifles tell of good quality:
The modern Henry leaves no doubt in my mind that mine will still be around long after I am gone. In the following illustration, everything but the receiver is made of steel:
While I do not hear you calling the Henry "junk", your assertion of "that you get what you pay for" is something that everyone should desire. I certainly got what I paid for, when I gave around $200.00 for my Henry rifle: a gun that does exactly what it is supposed to do, and that is:
function correctly
last a long time
is a pleasure to own & shoot
Junk comes in all price ranges. Likewise, quality runs the gammut of $$$. A low price does not equal cheapness & junk, just as a high price does not equal high quality. When I bought my Henry, I chose it over both the Winchester 9422, and the Marlin 39, because the Henry fit my requirements better than the others did. Price was a factor, but I would not have chosen as I did, if the Henry was, really, a piece of junk. 9 years later, I would still choose the same rifle, and I have no hessitation in recommending one to someone else, if it fits their needs.
Thanks for listening.
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tsr1965,
Again, you bring up the "junk" aspect ZAMAC, via the silk & pig's ear cliche. I do not know if you refer to inferior materials being used, or if you refer to "zincpest" (bubbles, holes & pits, a deterioration of ZAMAC, due to lead contamination of the alloy), or if you do not care for any material besides steel. I believe that no one is trying to represent zinc alloys as something that they are not. Rather, I would like everyone, including you, to understand that some readers of this forum ask genuine questions, and expect coherent, correct answers from "experts". Since I own a Henry rifle, and I have experience with it, I tried to give correct, fact-based answers. Your term "homogenous metal" connotes "pure" metal, as opposed to an alloy. I believe that "homogenous metal" actually includes alloys, which, in turn, includes both ZAMAC & steel. To give an answer that makes the Henry sound like undesireable junk is a great disservice to all concerned.
I have attempted to keep my responses confined to Henry R.A.C., and to ZAMAC alloys, but the truth is that alloys have been used for years, in the firearms industry. Both alloys iron (steel), and of alluminum, plus those of magnesium, and of zinc, are commonplace, today. Many companies have cut costs over the years, and have cut corners in their manufacturing of guns. We all know how Winchester "ruined" the Model 94, when they started using sintered metal (powdered steel alloy) for their receivers. I have had a few of these "terrible" rifles, and they really are not terrible. They are not as well-fit & finnished as the pre='64 guns, but the sintered steel really does work. Later, Winchester returned to forged steel receivers, which are considered more desireable, but, the sintered steel did its job. Rossi casts the receivers of their Model 92 clones, with a steel alloy. They have been doing that for decades, now. In fact, those cast Rossi rifles can, and do, handle the beating of .454 Casull rounds. If Henry used some material that did not deliver on its promise of a "good gun", then they should be ashamed of themselves, and close thier doors. However, Henry uses a Zinc alloy that does the job, and they get loyal ,and repeat, customers, because they make a good, solid product, with excellent service, should it be needed.
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Nothing wrong with zinc diecastings used in firearms as long as they are used as non stressed or non wear parts. All the moving parts and parts that take the stress of firing should have steel rails or support structures.
My experience with the old Erma Lugers made in the 60's supports this. In both instances the parts that failed were poorly engineered and should have been made of steel, rather then potmetal diecastings.0 -
A Marlin 39A from the '60s is the gold standard of 22 lever rifles. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bartman45
A Marlin 39A from the '60s is the gold standard of 22 lever rifles.
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quote:Originally posted by bartman45
A Marlin 39A from the '60s is the gold standard of 22 lever rifles.
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Bigloop22 said as best as can be said and also they are made in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 0 -
one of my favorites is an Ithaca 72 deluxe engraved...doubt if i will find another 0
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