Maxim silencer for Springfield 1903 question
I know someone that has the Bayonet for this device but I'm wondering if the silencers exist with the proper paperwork. I'm assuming these are very rare at this point. Without the silencer the bayonet really doesn't have much of a functional use. From a collector standpoint I'm sure the bayonet has some value by itself.
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Could you please post quality photos of the bayonet, specially how it mounts on the silencer. Due to the requirement that the silencer has to be in perfect alignment with the bore, to prevent damage to the internal baffles. Fastening a bayonet on it seems problematical. 0 -
link below to a photo of 1903 with Maxim silencer.. appears to be a bayonet mount under the unit at rear.
according to Springfield armory museum website the bayonet , not shown, was supplied by Maxim also
http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/full/6187AD-JPG633536161472892874.jpg0 -
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
link below to a photo of 1903 with Maxim silencer.. appears to be a bayonet mount under the unit at rear.
according to Springfield armory museum website the bayonet , not shown, was supplied by Maxim also
http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/full/6187AD-JPG633536161472892874.jpg
This is correct the Bayonet has a dovetail in the top where the normal barrel loop would be that fits into the bottom of the silencer. The silencers from what I've been told were used on the Warner Swasey sniper 1903's.
I found a picture of the bayonet in William S. Brophy's book The 1903 Springfield Rifle on page 365 on the top right of the page. I will not post pictures from here of the book because it will probably violate some sort of copyright infringement.0 -
I don't know but that looks more like a grenade launcher than a silencer. Just my opinion. Tom 0 -
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
link below to a photo of 1903 with Maxim silencer.. appears to be a bayonet mount under the unit at rear.
according to Springfield armory museum website the bayonet , not shown, was supplied by Maxim also
http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/full/6187AD-JPG633536161472892874.jpg
I don't think that is a suppressor.
Look at the bore line compared to the "suppressor".0 -
quote:Originally posted by cpermd
quote:Originally posted by TANK78Z
link below to a photo of 1903 with Maxim silencer.. appears to be a bayonet mount under the unit at rear.
according to Springfield armory museum website the bayonet , not shown, was supplied by Maxim also
http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/full/6187AD-JPG633536161472892874.jpg
I don't think that is a suppressor.
Look at the bore line compared to the "suppressor".
I would agree that it doesn't look like a suppresser but it is and I agree with the bore line but this is probably due to the way the silencer was attached to the rifle. Here's a little info I've found but I still haven't figured out if these exist or not with proper paperwork.
"Sound suppressors were first introduced to the United States in 1909 by Hiram Maxim, the son of the inventor of the first practical machine gun. He dramatically improved his design in 1910 and silencers became popular amongst back yard sport shooters. The first historical record of the use of silencers by the military was an expedition by Black Jack Pershing in his attempt to capture Poncho Villa. He reportedly brought two M-1903 Springfield rifles equipped with Maxim silencers. There is also evidence that some of these suppressed Springfield rifles were used in WW I, however the nature of the trench warfare did not give any significant advantage to the use of silencers." Sited from http://olive-drab.com/od_other_firearms_suppressors.php0 -
The centerline of the can doesn't need to be on the centerline of the bore to work, but to be effective it needs to be bigger than the one shown or used with special downloaded ammo. 0 -
some suppressors were made with the off center bore for sights clearance, I have seen a maxim in this configuration .
I even saw one ,on one of Teddy Roosevelt's rifles at his Sagamore Hill home many years ago.
suppressors come in different lengths and diameters even for the same caliber and firearm, not all of them lower the decibel level equally, the newest ones are probably much more effective then the 100 year old ones in most cases. BUT
Unless we could measure the reduced levels , or find info on the effectiveness of this particular combo it's all guess work or personal opinions.0 -
I've also seen the Maxim silencer on the bolt rifle at Teddy Roosevelt's residence (Sagamore Hill/Oyster Bay, NY).
The dimensions are, to the eye, just as I remember.
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