assault shotguns
I would like to buy an assault/home defense type shotgun. I am told that remington 870 shotguns, and a particular model of winchester both make what is called a "mariner" shotgun that is made with all stainless steel parts, or nickel plated parts?? What are the model numbers of these shotguns, and which one is the BEST shotgun of the two?? How about price, reliability, etc.??
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You can't go wrong with either shotgun for defense. The term "assault" rifle, shotgun or any gun is simply wrong. It is a Media word and very misleading.
You will be happy with a Mossberg 500, a Remington 870 or their variants. There is no "best" gun, it is subjective. Both are reliable and well made guns. For home defense I would not worry about what metal it is made of since it will be stored int he controlled climate of your home.
Here are some links to auctions here on the GB site.
http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=mossberg+500
Here are Remingtons
http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=remington+8700 -
Well you have two nice manufactures but the wrong one for a mariner.
Firstly, there is no such thing as an assault home defense type merely features that make it easier to operate in tight quarters.
A Remington 870, Winchester 1300 are both great shotguns. Neither come to my knowledge in a finish called mariner.
Mariner is a finish put on regular old Mossbergs to resist harsh salt water conditions; which isn't needed to fit the niche I assume you are trying to fill.
Some guns back in the day were nickel plated but it has entirely to do with finish/looks and nothing to do about function.
Winchester 1300/Remington 870/Mossberg 500 are all reliable platforms, and if set up right would do the job you want just fine.0 -
This is the Winchester 1300 Defender Stainless Marine, which has a nickel plated stainless steel barrel & mag tube with most other parts coated with the Sandstrom 9A phosphate coating & synthetic stock. There are several variations in finishes during production. A good item for those who travel on boats &/or live in a saltwater area. 
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870 is the answer, next question! 0 -
I have both, a 870 20 guage and a 500 12 gauge, both are what you would consider "tactical". I'll admit the 870 is a good gun, but I dislikeit for a number of reasons. I prefer the safety of the 500, as well as the location of the slide release. They are both easy to manipulate without moving your trigger finger. The 870 also is a PITA AKA a Biotch to dissassemble. The 500is very easy, plus it has an aluminum receiver, which is nice, IMO, as a shotgun does'nt generate the pressures needed for an all steel receiver. There are a ton of parts available for both.
I have also used a 590 in marine enviroments for the past several years, I clean my shotgun regulararily, and never had a problem with rust, this was with a parkerized gun however. I have noticed rusting/discoloration with my 870 however.
In the long run, both are good guns, would suggest you handle them both and look long and hard at a 500 or 590.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Papalouie
I would like to buy an assault/home defense type shotgun. I am told that remington 870 shotguns, and a particular model of winchester both make what is called a "mariner" shotgun that is made with all stainless steel parts, or nickel plated parts?? What are the model numbers of these shotguns, and which one is the BEST shotgun of the two?? How about price, reliability, etc.??
What you're looking for is generally called a "riot" gun.
That is, a short barreled pump-action shotgun intended for defense at relatively close range. These usually have cylinder bores (ie no choke) and either 18 or 20" barrels. Legal limit is 18", so you can't go less than that unless you live in a state that permits these (some do) and you fill out a bunch of Federal paperwork and pay some extra tax.
More to the point, you probably don't really "need" to go less than 18" Main point of the shorter barrel is that it makes the gun easier to handle indoors in tight quarters, and a little easier to store.
The "mariner" version uses nickel plating and stainless steel for the purpose implied. . .they're good around salt water than may corrode ordinary blued steel. True "tactical" operators don't like shiny guns like this because they're afraid glare off the gun will impede their aim and/or give away their position. If you're not actually going to be near water, you can probably get away without this.
Pump action shotguns are a tried and true design. All of them can do what you need them to do, including relatively inexpensive "Maverick" versions of the Mossberg 500. Which one is "best" is subjective and depends on what's important to you (ie cost, location of controls, available of aftermarket "gizmos" etc).0 -
It's a Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge debate on which is better between the 870/500-590/1300. Honestly, I find usually the one that the person has in their gun safe (or driveway) is the "better" one than the others. All three guns will work magnificently as a home defense shotgun, all have extra-capacity aftermarket mag extensions (or factory installed, depending on model), all can be made sling-ready and side-saddle ready for extra ammo, etc. With any of the three manufacturers' guns in 12 gauge with a mag loaded full of #1 Buck, and a saddle full of slugs, you'll be pretty much invincible in your castle if so assaulted.
Just as in buying a handgun, try a couple out first. What you find annoying about model "A" might be better designed on model "B", etc.0 -
mossberg 590A1[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fordsix
mossberg 590A1[;)]
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That said, you really can't go wrong with any of the major brand pump shotguns. If you want semi auto, go Saiga.0 -
I like my combat 870. It is 31 inches long total, holds 8 rounds in it and has 10 rounds in the sling. I would suggest that what ever you get it has changeable chokes. You are way more likely to catch dinner than a crook. #6 birdshot or #4 buckshot. Test your pattern at across the room distance and learn to shoot it from the hip. 0
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