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Pinfire 12ga? Possible Harst?

shootuadeal
Anyone know of a good reference to try to find info about an old pinfire 12ga?

Guy brought me one in to sell for him and there is no markings on it, just "27" in several differant places. He said in looking that he saw a picture of a P. Harst a couple weeks ago when trying to figure out what it is but internet searching today I could not find any info on "P Harst". I assume it is an old belguim made imported in the late 80's but am just wonderring if anyone has a good site that has examples on it, I looked at about 10 differant makers and none of them are it.

Not sure what it is worth but he wanted me to try to get $1000 out of it and I told him that it was highly unlikely to get that much out of no name, even if it is a pinfire.

What do you guys think? Any ideas?
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    TRY "PARKHURST".....A WORD PLAY ON 'PARKER' , UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING EXTRAORDENARY ABOUT IT MAYBE $200 FOR A WALL HANGER
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  • hrf
    quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
    TRY "PARKHURST".....A WORD PLAY ON 'PARKER' , UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING EXTRAORDENARY ABOUT IT MAYBE $200 FOR A WALL HANGER


    Agree, and not likely imported for sale in USA as pinfires had little popularity outside Europe. 90% made in Belgium or France; a few in Germany and England.
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  • shootuadeal
    I guess I found out. An older guy that helps me in the store had some books at home that he brought me in today, it is an NR Davis, made in Mass. First issue.

    But thanks anyway, guys[:)]
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  • hrf
    You need to post some pics; if it's a PINFIRE as you stated, it was NOT made by N. R. Davis or in USA!

    Are you sure it's not a normal old centerfire hammer double or a percussion muzzle loader?

    Remove the barrels and look for proofmarks on underside.
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  • shootuadeal
    quote:Originally posted by hrf

    You need to post some pics; if it's a PINFIRE as you stated, it was NOT made by N. R. Davis or in USA!

    Are you sure it's not a normal old centerfire hammer double or a percussion muzzle loader?

    Remove the barrels and look for proofmarks on underside.


    According to the old mans book they did, had a picture of it, as well as several other models they made. The book told how they started with muzzleloaders and went on to three models of pinfire shotguns of which this is the first model "that they did not mark until second model production came in 1879", explaining why there are no markings other than "27" in several places on the gun, turns out they didn't use a serial number rather they used a lot number.

    BTW, I'm not completely ignorant, I know a pinfire shotgun, I even took shells out of my own collection and put in there just to show some people that have never seen one. So to answer your question, Yes I am sure it is not a percussion or centerfire shotgun.

    I haven't bothered posting a picture since hunt101 went down, is it back up yet?
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  • hrf
    Thanks for the followup; I didn't think any U. S. company ever made pinfire shotguns, and don't believe the shells were ever produced by U.S. ammo companies.

    I believe you have a scarce gun, and too bad they didn't mark the early ones, which might have elevated it to collector status.

    First shotgun I ever used was my Dad's old N. R. Davis 16, which I foolishly traded off later...
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  • BigLoop22
    shootuadeal,

    Hunt101 is back in operation. They took a little longer than they said that they would, though. I still use them.[;)] I, also, would love to see pictures of the shotgun.
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