Spray case lube on the cheap, Make your own
Lanolin and Isopropyl alcohol. That $7.00 bottle Costs about 25 cents to make.
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What is the mix rate? 0 -
The only reason you need to make your own is because those spray lubes are so horribly wasteful. Worse, perhaps, is that the overspray gets on and in everything in the room.
In contrast, the two-ounce tin of Imperial Sizing Die Wax I bought ten years ago has barely a dent in its surface and will undoubtedly last the rest of my reloading life. This is that one and only can, after loading several thousands of rifle rounds:
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I'm not going to argue with the economy of making your own spray lube and Rocky is right about the Imperial. But!
I just finished sizing about 15,000 223 cases(range brass) while using less than $7.50 worth of Midway's elcheapo spray lube w/o a single stuck case. I lube 250 at a time in a plastic tray from squad MRE's which has streamlined my sizing process immensely. For my own use, that cost per round is acceptable and I'm sticking to it.0 -
I agree with Mobuck about the home made lube. Cheap,fast and works well. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fastcarsgofast
What is the mix rate?
+1, curious too.0 -
All I know is that I've never seen anything work better - or even as well - as Imperial. And NOTHING can be cheaper, if two ounces last for decades. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bambambam
quote:Originally posted by fastcarsgofast
What is the mix rate?
+1, curious too.
In the Factory 8oz spray bottle about a table spoon + (spray,feel adjust) and the rest is 91% Isopropyl alcohol.
A case of 20 8oz bottles from Dillion is $135. Pure Lanolin 4oz from any health food store is about $6-8.
Rocky Raab is right about the wax. I am only offering this as a "gotta have some case lube now" or your in a last minute pinch.0 -
I do a tube of Lee sizing lube in a bottle of rubbing alcohol. It's sprayable and being water based, once dry it doesn't contaminate powder.
Imperial is really good stuff, but I can't stand lubing one case at a time. Anhydrous lanolin on its own is almost as good and a lot cheaper. I DO have a can of Imperial, but it only gets dusted off for the most radical case reformations.0 -
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I was also looked at funny when I started using ultra sonic cleaning tanks for my brass in the early 80's as well.[;)] 0 -
Jonk, you do handle your cases one at a time, right? A whisper of Imperial on your fingertips, and the case is lubed as you place it in the shellholder to be sized. That's it.
No extra steps, no waiting for anything to dry, no mess, no waste, no clouds of oily mist drifting around the room. But if anyone happens to prefer all those things, be my guest.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
Jonk, you do handle your cases one at a time, right? A whisper of Imperial on your fingertips, and the case is lubed as you place it in the shellholder to be sized. That's it.
No extra steps, no waiting for anything to dry, no mess, no waste, no clouds of oily mist drifting around the room. But if anyone happens to prefer all those things, be my guest.
Depends. See, there are these things called "progressive presses" which aren't so progressive if you have to take the case out to clean off the oil based goop that doesn't dry after sizing. I don't handle my .223, 7.62X39, .30 carbine, or any pistol brass 'one at a time.' Even for rifle cases I still load on the single stage, it's a lot faster to have the whole batch lubed, and just keep moving back and forth from the box of lubed cases to the press to the 'done' box, then it is to go to the box of cases, wipe some lube on my fingers, handle the case into the shellholder, size, put in the box destined for re-tumbling, go back to the first step, etc. I am NOT saying Imperial doesn't work well; it does. I'm just saying that I have limited time for reloading and want to make the most of my time for both volume and quality, and if another lube lets me do that better than Imperial at a lesser price, it's a no brainer.0 -
Jonk, I don't bother cleaning Imperial off, at all. There isn't enough there to matter after sizing, and what little is left does seem to dry after a while. Eight bucks - spent once and once only.
You pass your fingertips across the wax, VERY lightly. After you have placed ten or 15 cases in the press, swipe again. There is no "oily goop", only the faintest shiny fingerprints on the brass. That's REALLY all it takes.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
Jonk, I don't bother cleaning Imperial off, at all. There isn't enough there to matter after sizing, and what little is left does seem to dry after a while. Eight bucks - spent once and once only.
You pass your fingertips across the wax, VERY lightly. After you have placed ten or 15 cases in the press, swipe again. There is no "oily goop", only the faintest shiny fingerprints on the brass. That's REALLY all it takes.
If I were only lubing the outside of the case, I'd not worry about cleaning off the lube either. However, to avoid sticking in the die and excessive stretching of the neck, I always make it a point to lightly lube the INSIDE of the case neck as well- another reason why spray lube works so well. Otherwise on the downstroke I often have to really yank on the press handle HARD to get the expander rod through the neck, which leads to unneeded neck stretching and unneeded cursing at the press.
Additionally, some dies are just 'stickier' than others. I find Lee dies are best as they are well tapered, Hornady is also very good, and Lyman and RCBS just stink as they have such abrupt shoulders on the expander balls.
I don't see an easy way to apply imperial to the insides of case necks, nor to remove it; and when I DO use it I have to apply it with a Q tip, which is very slow. Even then to avoid powder contamination, I feel the need to remove any traces of lube if not water based, preferably by immersing in boiling soap/water for a few minutes, then tumbling again.
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If you look at my photo, you'll see evidence of little rings in the wax. I tap the occasional case mouth on the wax, and that transfers enough to the expander ball that there's no "squeaky draggy" for ten cases or so - about the same number of cases I can go between finger swipes. And there is SO little of it involved that I don't clean the insides, either! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
If you look at my photo, you'll see evidence of little rings in the wax. I tap the occasional case mouth on the wax, and that transfers enough to the expander ball that there's no "squeaky draggy" for ten cases or so - about the same number of cases I can go between finger swipes. And there is SO little of it involved that I don't clean the insides, either!
Since I started using the Imperial wax and neck meadia I have to clean the rust and re-lube my unused RCBS stuck case remover every once in awhile due non-useage storage!0 -
I hear ya. I put my stuck case remover away a decade ago, and it'd take some time to find it. Fortunately rust is against state law here in Utah, LOL! 0
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