Would you disarm?
Push comes to shove and guns are outlawed would you disarm?
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quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Push comes to shove and guns are outlawed would you disarm?
NO!
I will go one step further, I am in Law Enforcement and I would not (and do not) enforce the unconstitutional laws what violate our RTKABA's![:(!]
I can assure you that the vast majority of the cops I KNOW feel the same way. But the union thugs who call themselves LEO's in our larger cities and states like NY and NJ may not be of this mind set and thus are in violation of the oath they swore to!!!![V]
Not even close, Jim.
Most cops enforce anti-constitution gun laws every day and never bat an eye. That is what being a 'law enforcement officer' is all about...enforcing whatever laws are on the books.
The vast majority of cops would go along with a gun ban/confiscation if for no other reason than to keep their job and to stay out of prison, just like the vast majority of other citizens would do.
Where is all that 'reality' that you so frequently spout off about, cause your post is a fantasy?0 -
I gave all my guns to eboydell.the gay black guy, but if I had any I would gladly turn them in 0 -
an entire thread full of ida dunns.....
the bttom line truth of the matter is that any answer abut how yu would react in a hypothetical situation is just that, hypothetical. it has the benefit of being an unimpeachable statement in the present because we're not there in that moment.
go ahead. whip out your hypothetical weenises and measure them against eachothers. at the end, we'll still be no closer to the truth.
i shall reserve my answer for when faced with the decision so that it may actuall have meaning.0 -
quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
an entire thread full of ida dunns.....
the bttom line truth of the matter is that any answer abut how yu would react in a hypothetical situation is just that, hypothetical. it has the benefit of being an unimpeachable statement in the present because we're not there in that moment.
go ahead. whip out your hypothetical weenises and measure them against eachothers. at the end, we'll still be no closer to the truth.
i shall reserve my answer for when faced with the decision so that it may actuall have meaning.
Well Kev when you answer the door or pull up in the driveway and several guns are pointed at you by government agents I doubt you'll have the time to post your answer here on GB.
Just sayin....0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by rong
It would never come to that.
Long before that issue the biggest
Army in the world ,would/should
rise up. American hunters!
(and hunters are mostly snipers
and quite stealthy!)
Pipe dream.
Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed.
Would you tell me how you know this to be a fact? It's such statements that completely destroy your already shakey credibility.
Clouder..0 -
quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by rong
It would never come to that.
Long before that issue the biggest
Army in the world ,would/should
rise up. American hunters!
(and hunters are mostly snipers
and quite stealthy!)
Pipe dream.
Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed.
Would you tell me how you know this to be a fact? It's such statements that completely destroy your already shakey credibility.
Clouder..
That you of all people feel my credibility is "shakey", is all the validation needed.
That aside, I don't believe I stated it as a fact, did I?
I gave my opinion which is informed and based on a simple study and view of history and of the wide acceptance of unconstitutional and predatory government by our citizens and a clear lack of balls and awareness, much of it fostered by the NRA, who's members make up a massive number of 'hunters' and 'gun owners'.
Do tell, how would you 'factually' refute it? Hell, I'll even settle for one of your lame attempts at brilliance.
It may well be the basis for a good discussion of the issue of liberty and the willful acceptance by our citizens to allow and facilitate its abrogation in so may areas.
Lay it on me. I can hardly wait.0 -
quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
an entire thread full of ida dunns.....
the bttom line truth of the matter is that any answer abut how yu would react in a hypothetical situation is just that, hypothetical. it has the benefit of being an unimpeachable statement in the present because we're not there in that moment.
go ahead. whip out your hypothetical weenises and measure them against eachothers. at the end, we'll still be no closer to the truth.
i shall reserve my answer for when faced with the decision so that it may actuall have meaning.
Just as your 'pronouncement' is 'unimpeachable' and hypothetical, eh?
We already know that you will likely give up and take what comes. You've pretty much laid out that position in previous posts on other grim-scenarios.
Project much? Feel better now?0 -
"That aside, I don't believe I stated it as a fact, did I?" Ooh. Let's see here:
"Absolutely not."
"Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed."
"Most cops enforce anti-constitution gun laws every day and never bat an eye. That is what being a 'law enforcement officer' is all about...enforcing whatever laws are on the books.
The vast majority of cops would go along with a gun ban/confiscation if for no other reason than to keep their job and to stay out of prison, just like the vast majority of other citizens would do."
With the exception of your intentions, you have done nothing but spout purported facts. The only real way to prove or disprove your statements is if there is if firearms are outlawed, and I, for one, hope and pray we don't come to that.
Your platitudes appear to be clouding your rationality. That is, of course, just my opinion.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CDMead
"That aside, I don't believe I stated it as a fact, did I?" Ooh. Let's see here:
"Absolutely not."
"Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed."
"Most cops enforce anti-constitution gun laws every day and never bat an eye. That is what being a 'law enforcement officer' is all about...enforcing whatever laws are on the books.
The vast majority of cops would go along with a gun ban/confiscation if for no other reason than to keep their job and to stay out of prison, just like the vast majority of other citizens would do."
With the exception of your intentions, you have done nothing but spout purported facts. The only real way to prove or disprove your statements is if there is if firearms are outlawed, and I, for one, hope and pray we don't come to that.
Your platitudes appear to be clouding your rationality. That is, of course, just my opinion.
Well now, your attempt at a grand gotcha moment falls flat when you look at the post quoted by Clouder and responded to by me.
Reading comprehension deficiency, eh?
Allow me to dissect the remainder of your attempt, k? quote:Ooh. Let's see here:
"Absolutely not."
My flat statement of fact about what "I" would not do.
"Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed."
My strongly held opinion as previously outlined and stated.
"Most cops enforce anti-constitution gun laws every day and never bat an eye. That is what being a 'law enforcement officer' is all about...enforcing whatever laws are on the books.
Unless you believe that Amendment II states something other than what it does, then most cops do, in fact, enforce anti-constitutional gun laws routinely. fact.
There is a distinct difference between the application and approach of being a 'LEO' and being a 'Peace Officer'. If confronted with a violation of law, a LEO will almost invariably enforce it. Fact.
The vast majority of cops would go along with a gun ban/confiscation if for no other reason than to keep their job and to stay out of prison, just like the vast majority of other citizens would do."
My strongly held opinion, based on over 20 years in policing and focused assessment of cops and liberty.Anything else you want dismantled?0 -
I don't believe it will ever happen. Progressives will continue with the same patient perseverance that they have over the past century.
The children will continue to be indoctrinated with the same Marxist ideology. Parents will continue to be forced to spend all their time working to pay off the debts forced upon them by the bankers; little time is left for instilling civilized behavior/traditional values.
All that's necessary is to wait for those of us who remember liberty to die off and the children will turn the guns over without as much as a blink of an eye - no doubt as part of some sort of government "buy back" program..0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by CDMead
"That aside, I don't believe I stated it as a fact, did I?" Ooh. Let's see here:
"Absolutely not."
"Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed."
"Most cops enforce anti-constitution gun laws every day and never bat an eye. That is what being a 'law enforcement officer' is all about...enforcing whatever laws are on the books.
The vast majority of cops would go along with a gun ban/confiscation if for no other reason than to keep their job and to stay out of prison, just like the vast majority of other citizens would do."
With the exception of your intentions, you have done nothing but spout purported facts. The only real way to prove or disprove your statements is if there is if firearms are outlawed, and I, for one, hope and pray we don't come to that.
Your platitudes appear to be clouding your rationality. That is, of course, just my opinion.
Well now, your attempt at a grand gotcha moment falls flat when you look at the post quoted by Clouder and responded to by me.
Reading comprehension deficiency, eh?
Damn. I'm at an incredible loss as to how you have supposedly risen to such a high level of authority and responsibility within your organization.
If anyone has a reading comprehension dificiency, it's you.
When you posted those statements you did not indicate they were opinions. In any event such statements are not provable at this time. The entire argument is a waste of time - much like the rest of your posts.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by rong
It would never come to that.
Long before that issue the biggest
Army in the world ,would/should
rise up. American hunters!
(and hunters are mostly snipers
and quite stealthy!)
Pipe dream.
Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed.
Would you tell me how you know this to be a fact? It's such statements that completely destroy your already shakey credibility.
Clouder..
That you of all people feel my credibility is "shakey", is all the validation needed.
That aside, I don't believe I stated it as a fact, did I?
I gave my opinion which is informed and based on a simple study and view of history and of the wide acceptance of unconstitutional and predatory government by our citizens and a clear lack of balls and awareness, much of it fostered by the NRA, who's members make up a massive number of 'hunters' and 'gun owners'.
Do tell, how would you 'factually' refute it? Hell, I'll even settle for one of your lame attempts at brilliance.
It may well be the basis for a good discussion of the issue of liberty and the willful acceptance by our citizens to allow and facilitate its abrogation in so may areas.
Lay it on me. I can hardly wait.
"Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours..."
That, my word-bending friend, is a statement. It's not a supposition or opinion unless you say it is. You didn't.
I'm not looking to validate you or anyone else; finding that is not my problem, it's yours.
It comes as no surprise that your study of history was a simple one.
I'm confident that a large majority of armed citizens of my acquaintance would defy an order to disarm. Do I know it for a fact? Not any more than your flat statement that most of them would, so I stated it as an opinion.
You don't conduct good discussions, you give lectures. I'm not interested. I would like to know, however what you mean by "abrogation in so may areas." Couldn't possibly be a typo now could it?
There, I'm done with you for now.
Clouder..0 -
quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by rong
It would never come to that.
Long before that issue the biggest
Army in the world ,would/should
rise up. American hunters!
(and hunters are mostly snipers
and quite stealthy!)
Pipe dream.
Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed.
Would you tell me how you know this to be a fact? It's such statements that completely destroy your already shakey credibility.
Clouder..
That you of all people feel my credibility is "shakey", is all the validation needed.
That aside, I don't believe I stated it as a fact, did I?
I gave my opinion which is informed and based on a simple study and view of history and of the wide acceptance of unconstitutional and predatory government by our citizens and a clear lack of balls and awareness, much of it fostered by the NRA, who's members make up a massive number of 'hunters' and 'gun owners'.
Do tell, how would you 'factually' refute it? Hell, I'll even settle for one of your lame attempts at brilliance.
It may well be the basis for a good discussion of the issue of liberty and the willful acceptance by our citizens to allow and facilitate its abrogation in so may areas.
Lay it on me. I can hardly wait.
"Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours..."
That, my word-bending friend, is a statement. It's not a supposition or opinion unless you say it is. You didn't.
I'm not looking to validate you or anyone else; finding that is not my problem, it's yours.
It comes as no surprise that your study of history was a simple one.
I'm confident that a large majority of armed citizens of my acquaintance would defy an order to disarm. Do I know it for a fact? Not any more than your flat statement that most of them would, so I stated it as an opinion.
You don't conduct good discussions, you give lectures. I'm not interested. I would like to know, however what you mean by "abrogation in so may areas." Couldn't possibly be a typo now could it?
There, I'm done with you for now.
Clouder..
One would think that a real live literary genius, such as yourself, would have the basic understanding that when strongly held opinions and assessments are provided, it is self-evident that they are simply that, strongly held opinions and assessments.
Of course, when one is attempting to denigrate, well....
That aside, I see a tuck and run after using the old 'I found a typo' trick, eh? Typical.
Ya got nothing, as usual.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CDMead
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by CDMead
"That aside, I don't believe I stated it as a fact, did I?" Ooh. Let's see here:
"Absolutely not."
"Most would give them up and tell the government about you and yours, if they were outlawed."
"Most cops enforce anti-constitution gun laws every day and never bat an eye. That is what being a 'law enforcement officer' is all about...enforcing whatever laws are on the books.
The vast majority of cops would go along with a gun ban/confiscation if for no other reason than to keep their job and to stay out of prison, just like the vast majority of other citizens would do."
With the exception of your intentions, you have done nothing but spout purported facts. The only real way to prove or disprove your statements is if there is if firearms are outlawed, and I, for one, hope and pray we don't come to that.
Your platitudes appear to be clouding your rationality. That is, of course, just my opinion.
Well now, your attempt at a grand gotcha moment falls flat when you look at the post quoted by Clouder and responded to by me.
Reading comprehension deficiency, eh?
Damn. I'm at an incredible loss as to how you have supposedly risen to such a high level of authority and responsibility within your organization.
If anyone has a reading comprehension dificiency, it's you.
When you posted those statements you did not indicate they were opinions. In any event such statements are not provable at this time. The entire argument is a waste of time - much like the rest of your posts.
As I posted up for Ol' Clouder on the same issue, with one minor strike to make it directly applicable to you...
"One would think that a real live literary genius, such as yourself, would have the basic understanding that when strongly held opinions and assessments are provided, it is self-evident that they are simply that, strongly held opinions and assessments.
Of course, when one is attempting to denigrate, well...."
Glad you believe my posts are worthless. To a guy coming from your positions, it would be highly unlikely that you'd see any value in them.
Carry on...[:)]0 -
quote:I will go one step further, I am in Law Enforcement and I would not (and do not) enforce the unconstitutional laws what violate our RTKABA's![:(!]
Awesome!
quote:I can assure you that the vast majority of the cops I KNOW feel the same way.
I hope you're right.0 -
I deal with officers from two local, one state, and one federal on a regular basis and have no reason to believe they would have anything to do with a confiscation scheme. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
an entire thread full of ida dunns.....
the bttom line truth of the matter is that any answer abut how yu would react in a hypothetical situation is just that, hypothetical. it has the benefit of being an unimpeachable statement in the present because we're not there in that moment.
I learned long ago that judging what others might do in reaction to a situation, based on what I would do, is not a dependable model.
Throughout my life I have tried to force myself to do hard things that are both unnatural, and easy to avoid. I've pushed myself to do things that most men avoid like the plague. I get an odd sense of satisfaction from that.
I'm assuming there are a lot of people like me, who do not shrink from hard, scary, and painful acts.0 -
Well sure ... if that's what my government wants me to do. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rong
It would never come to that.
Long before that issue the biggest
Army in the world ,would/should
rise up. American hunters!
(and hunters are mostly snipers
and quite stealthy!)
Taking a shot at a deer that has been baited from under 100 yards from the comfort of a deer blind does not make one a sniper.0 -
Originally posted by rong
It would never come to that.
Long before that issue the biggest
Army in the world ,would/should
rise up. American hunters!
(and hunters are mostly snipers
and quite stealthy!)
Taking a shot at a deer that has been baited from under 100 yards from the comfort of a deer blind does not make one a sniper.
I, in no way meant disrespect to you being the trained sniper you are.
What I meant was that hunters kill their prey by being concealed
and waiting for the precise moment for the most opportune shot to make
a clean kill.
I believe the millions of hunters who pratice this, far out number
the few of each agency who train for this.
Again I do apologize if I have insulted your profession.
Ron0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Push comes to shove and guns are outlawed would you disarm?
Only if the agent at the door sported a disarming smile.0 -
Wouldn't it be Cool to see the Big Van With the Govt Goons Rounding Up all the Firearms Go Sky High Down the Street Because One Of the
Units they Picked up Had C4 In the Stock (Composite)No #'s And a Remote Rcvr What A Rush.... Yeah We're Even Now[:0]0 -
Lets say I got my hands on an MP44 from the neighbor lady who's husband brought it home and died. It never had any papers. I get pulled over taking it home and cops finds it. I tell him it has no papers and I am an NRA member and just want it for SHTF someday. Plus I am a collector. Cops runs my records and I am clean.
Is anyone here going to tell me that there is any cop in America who would let me go and look the other way?
Anyone?
quote:Originally posted by Wyatt Earp
quote:I will go one step further, I am in Law Enforcement and I would not (and do not) enforce the unconstitutional laws what violate our RTKABA's![:(!]
Awesome!
quote:I can assure you that the vast majority of the cops I KNOW feel the same way.
I hope you're right.0 -
Dangerous statement in Dangerous times.
quote:Originally posted by woodshed87
Wouldn't it be Cool to see the Big Van With the Govt Goons Rounding Up all the Firearms Go Sky High Down the Street Because One Of the
Units they Picked up Had C4 In the Stock (Composite)No #'s And a Remote Rcvr What A Rush.... Yeah We're Even Now[:0]0 -
quote:Lets say I got my hands on an MP44 from the neighbor lady who's husband brought it home and died. It never had any papers. I get pulled over taking it home and cops finds it. I tell him it has no papers and I am an NRA member and just want it for SHTF someday. Plus I am a collector. Cops runs my records and I am clean.
Is anyone here going to tell me that there is any cop in America who would let me go and look the other way?
Anyone?Three out of five cops wouldn't know what they were looking at.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rong
Originally posted by rong
It would never come to that.
Long before that issue the biggest
Army in the world ,would/should
rise up. American hunters!
(and hunters are mostly snipers
and quite stealthy!)
Taking a shot at a deer that has been baited from under 100 yards from the comfort of a deer blind does not make one a sniper.
I, in no way meant disrespect to you being the trained sniper you are.
What I meant was that hunters kill their prey by being concealed
and waiting for the precise moment for the most opportune shot to make
a clean kill.
I believe the millions of hunters who pratice this, far out number
the few of each agency who train for this.
Again I do apologize if I have insulted your profession.
Ron
I never said I was a sniper, but I know somebody that hunts for recreation is not a sniper either. [;)] I would think that would be an insult to a true sniper that puts in the months and years of hard training and strict discipline to become a true sniper.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Push comes to shove and guns are outlawed would you disarm?
LMMFAO.... yea right0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Push comes to shove and guns are outlawed would you disarm?
NO!
I will go one step further, I am in Law Enforcement and I would not (and do not) enforce the unconstitutional laws what violate our RTKABA's![:(!]
I can assure you that the vast majority of the cops I KNOW feel the same way. But the union thugs who call themselves LEO's in our larger cities and states like NY and NJ may not be of this mind set and thus are in violation of the oath they swore to!!!![V]
Not even close, Jim.
Most cops enforce anti-constitution gun laws every day and never bat an eye. That is what being a 'law enforcement officer' is all about...enforcing whatever laws are on the books.
The vast majority of cops would go along with a gun ban/confiscation if for no other reason than to keep their job and to stay out of prison, just like the vast majority of other citizens would do.
Where is all that 'reality' that you so frequently spout off about, cause your post is a fantasy?
I am sorry the LEO's YOU KNOW don' believe in the oath they took. Here in rural bama things are much different than in your world Jeff!!! We have openly discussed this, from the boss down and it ain't happening here!!![:(!]0 -
The key to a gun ban is "sportsmen"
"Sportsmen" will roll over on everybody else as long as they get to keep their deer rifles and duck guns....
Once sportsmen are the only ones left, they'll suddenly realize their political clout wasn't what they thought it was...0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
The key to a gun ban is "sportsmen"
"Sportsmen" will roll over on everybody else as long as they get to keep their deer rifles and duck guns....
Once sportsmen are the only ones left, they'll suddenly realize their political clout wasn't what they thought it was...
You have not been down in 'Dixie' and got to know the 'sportsmen' here have you??? The 'urban' sportsmen' may give their guns up with out a fight (other than in court) but things are not the same in the 'country'!!![;)]0
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