Help ID & value M1 carbine bayonet - Dutch? (pics)

MrM1A1

August 18, 2013 11:55

I have an M4 type bayonet and I am unsure of its origins. It very much resembles the M4 pattern bayonet made by the Dutch firm Horster, but it has a couple differences that I can't figure out.

First, it has absolutely no markings other than the serial on the side of the hilt, and second, it does not have the two pins on the side of the hilt like all of the other Dutch bayonets I've seen.

The scabbard is the woodgrain M8 type, and is also unmarked.

The blade is in good shape, factory unsharpened edges, some finish wear but nothing nasty. The scales are excellent, the pommel and latch assembly are excellent, and the scabbard is near excellent.

Any help as to origin and rough value would be greatly appreciated.

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  dcs shooters

  August 18, 2013 14:13

  It's German made because of the thick tang and serial on the side of it [;)] Scabbard is also [^]

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  MrM1A1

  August 18, 2013 15:34

  Thanks dcs, with a little more research I learned that Horster is in fact a German company, and they were contracted by the Netherlands to produce these bayonets for use with the M1 carbines the US provided to them.
  
  I also learned that many, but not all, were marked with the Horster logo on the bottom of the hilt, but this one would seem to be one of the unmarked ones.
  
  I am still confused about the lack of pins on the side of the hilt, I have yet to find an example like this.
  
  Thank you for the info, I appreciate the lead!

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  dcs shooters

  August 18, 2013 15:45

  quote:Originally posted by MrM1A1
  Thanks dcs, with a little more research I learned that Horster is in fact a German company, and they were contracted by the Netherlands to produce these bayonets for use with the M1 carbines the US provided to them.
  
  I also learned that many, but not all, were marked with the Horster logo on the bottom of the hilt, but this one would seem to be one of the unmarked ones.
  
  I am still confused about the lack of pins on the side of the hilt, I have yet to find an example like this.
  
  Thank you for the info, I appreciate the lead!
  
  
  EDIT The Germans were the only ones to use pins in their own carbine bayonets. The ones made for the Dutch didn't have pins
  
  Find the book American Military Bayonets of the 20th Century by Gary M. Cunningham, it is the best out there. Gary is a friend and one of the most knowledgeable on them [;)]
  
  

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  MrM1A1

  August 18, 2013 16:35

  Thanks, I'll look into the book. The pins I was referring to are the two cross pins on the side of the hilt, that are found on these type bayos for the Dutch contract. Mine should have two pins where the serial is. All of the other Dutch M4's have no serial and two pins, maybe rivets on the side of the hilt.
  
  Here is a pic of the pins/rivets I'm referring to, my bayonet does not have these pins:
  
  

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