I am NOT ashamed for my "Short Recoil" post!
I recognize that Wikipedia is not the most authoritative source for firearms issues, but I will post its entry on "short recoil" in defense of my position that a Colt Model of 1911 is a "short recoil" action. There are other sources that agree as well. Here is the relevant part of the Wikipedia entry on "short recoil:"
"Short recoil operation
The short recoil action dominates the world of centerfire semi-automatic pistols, being found in nearly all such weapons chambered for 9x19mm Parabellum or higher-powered cartridges (weaker cartridges, .380 ACP and below, generally use the blow-back method of operation). Short recoil operation differs from long recoil operation in that the barrel and slide recoil together only a short distance before they unlock and separate. The barrel stops quickly, and the slide continues rearward, compressing the recoil spring and performing the automated extraction and feeding process. During the last portion of its forward travel, the slide locks into the barrel and pushes the barrel back into battery.
The exact method of locking and unlocking the barrel is the primary differentiating factor in the wide array of short recoil designs. Most common are the John Browning tilting barrel designs, based either on the swinging link and locking lugs as used in the M1911 pistol, or the linkless cam design used in the Hi Power. Other common designs are the locking block design found in the Beretta 92, rollers in the MG42, or a rotating barrel used in the Steyr TMP among others. One unusual variant is the toggle bolt design in C-93 of Hugo Borchardt, used also in the German Luger pistol."
I still am not ashamed to call a Colt Model of 1911 a "short recoil" action! Why should I be ashamed when I am right? [:D]
"Short recoil operation
The short recoil action dominates the world of centerfire semi-automatic pistols, being found in nearly all such weapons chambered for 9x19mm Parabellum or higher-powered cartridges (weaker cartridges, .380 ACP and below, generally use the blow-back method of operation). Short recoil operation differs from long recoil operation in that the barrel and slide recoil together only a short distance before they unlock and separate. The barrel stops quickly, and the slide continues rearward, compressing the recoil spring and performing the automated extraction and feeding process. During the last portion of its forward travel, the slide locks into the barrel and pushes the barrel back into battery.
The exact method of locking and unlocking the barrel is the primary differentiating factor in the wide array of short recoil designs. Most common are the John Browning tilting barrel designs, based either on the swinging link and locking lugs as used in the M1911 pistol, or the linkless cam design used in the Hi Power. Other common designs are the locking block design found in the Beretta 92, rollers in the MG42, or a rotating barrel used in the Steyr TMP among others. One unusual variant is the toggle bolt design in C-93 of Hugo Borchardt, used also in the German Luger pistol."
I still am not ashamed to call a Colt Model of 1911 a "short recoil" action! Why should I be ashamed when I am right? [:D]
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It looks like the other "experts" think they know all about it [B)][:D] Us 1911 builders know all about short recoil guns [^] 0 -
never limp wrist with a short recoil[:0] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by JudgeColt
Why should I be ashamed when I am right? [:D]
Judge, I've been here for 11 years and I have yet to see you wrong.0 -
JudgeColt,
I apologize, and stand corrected from my comment, in a previous thread. Specifically about the 1911, being not short recoil operated.
However, I do still stand that there is a difference between a short/long recoil operated semi-auto shotgun, and an inertia driven semi-auto, such as the Benelli's, and the Stoeger 2000.
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[/quote]Judge, I've been here for 11 years and I have yet to see you wrong.[/quote]
Mark, apparently, you have not talked to my wife!
tsr1965, apology accepted. Proper nomenclature issues plague the gun hobby, and this is just one more example. I agree, you are right on the other actions discussed in the previous thread.0
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