Inertia Driven Shotgun
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Are inertia driven semi-auto shotguns as good as gas piston semi-auto shotguns?
Are inertia driven semi-auto shotguns as good as gas piston semi-auto shotguns?
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as in Browning A-5' or Rem 11/48's ?.........probably better 0 -
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I always thought an A5 or 11-48 was recoil operated.
The inertia action shotguns like Benelli must be more powerful than gas operated guns like Remington 1100; they kick so much more.0 -
I know im butting in on the experts, but is'nt inertia and recoil operated the same? 0 -
Some of the advantages to the inertia driven system is that you don't have any gas ports or tubes to get gummed up and have to clean. In my experience (with the Benelli M2) they also tend to be significantly lighter then their gas op counterparts. They may kick a bit harder with a standard stock, but with the Benelli's comfortech stock a bunch of that recoil gets soaked up by the stock. 0 -
Would any of you guys take a chance on a Stoeger 2000? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by steve45
I know im butting in on the experts, but is'nt inertia and recoil operated the same?
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quote:Originally posted by steve45
I know im butting in on the experts, but is'nt inertia and recoil operated the same?
NO!!! They are not the same.
Short recoil like the Remington 11/48, 11, and Browning A5, use a Blowback means of operation, and have a blowback breech face, like many low powered centerfire, and 22 pistols, and rifles. They also have sliding/recoiling barrels.
The inertia have locked breech faces, and rotating locking bolts. They have fixed barrels. They can have a lot of recoil to them, if using the 3 1/2 inch loads that some will digest, but for the most part, fall somewhere between the gas operated guns, and the short recoil guns, when using the same load.
quote:The inertia action shotguns like Benelli must be more powerful than gas operated guns like Remington 1100; they kick so much more.
That is somewhat not totally true. While some of them so chambered, can digest the 3 1/2" super magnums, they will also, interchangeably handle the lightest 2 3/4" target loads.
The Stoeger 2000, if I am not mistaken, is a Turkish made clone of the Benelli Super Black Eagle. Yes, for the price, I would take a chance, as I have had the chance to play with a couple. Though not hundreds of rounds, it was totally reliable, even though you might not want to go to a 200 bird shoot with it.
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JudgeColt
The Colt 1911, has a tilting link, solid lock up. You should be ashamed, by calling a Colt 1911, short recoil. Of all folks, you should know better.
Mike,
There is absolutely nothing but spring pressure, that hold the bolt and barrel together,, on the 11, 11/48, or A5, until the force is enough to override it. Because of this, and there is nothing physically latching the bolt to the barrel, and/or receiver, it operates much like a blowback.
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babun,
Part 43 temporarily locks the bolt in the receiver. There is NOTHING physically locking the bolt to the barrel, like a rotating bolt on a TRUE inertia semi auto.
Several guns use inertia, in some form to perform different functions. Most over-under's, use inertia triggers, where the inertia from the first shot, to set the hammer for the second barrel. So Winchester using inertia to release the action of their 1300, is not ground breaking...they have been doing it since 1893.
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"Short recoil like the Remington 11/48, 11, and Browning A5, use a Blowback means of operation"............just to note; these are locked breech, long recoil actions. the barrels and bolts are locked together on firing and recoil as a unit, the bolts are retained at the rear of the action as the barrels return to 'battery', then the bolts are released to move foreward picking up a roun from the carrier and chambering the next round. 0 -
While recoil technically operates both recoil-operated actions and inertia actions, they are not considered the same. In a recoil-operated action, the barrel and breech are locked together and move together for a period of time and distance to operate the action. In an inertia-operated action, recoil moves the whole gun and a "floating" part of the bolt initially does not move due to inertia, but then moves due to spring pressure and operates the action. An inertia action will not function if the gun cannot move due to recoil, such as if the butt were against an immovable object like a tree trunk.
There is much debate as to which is "better," but there does not seem to be any debate that inertia actions have more felt recoil.
I would disagree with tsr1965's characterization of the Remington 11-48 and Browning A5 actions as "short recoil." The barrel and bolt are locked together and move together for at least 3 to 4 inches, and are called "long recoil" actions.
A "short recoil" action would be that found in locked-breech pistols like a Colt Model of 1911, etc.. The barrel moves only a fraction of an inch in recoil.
A "blowback" action is not locked at all and depends on the initial grip of the casing on the chamber walls to momentarily keep the slide or bolt from moving until pressure drops enough to allow the residual pressure in the barrel to force the case out of the chamber (like a piston) and move the slide or bolt with it. Inertia of the slide or bolt allows the slide or bolt and its extractor to pull the case the rest of the way out of the chamber and eject it. Some blowback pistols do not even have extractors and rely on only the pressure to drive the empty case out of the chamber. As I recall, some Beretta .25ACP pistols are an example of a pistol with no extractor.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
quote:Originally posted by steve45
I know im butting in on the experts, but is'nt inertia and recoil operated the same?
NO!!! They are not the same.
Short recoil like the Remington 11/48, 11, and Browning A5, use a Blowback means of operation, and have a blowback breech face, like many low powered centerfire, and 22 pistols, and rifles. They also have sliding/recoiling barrels.
The inertia have locked breech faces, and rotating locking bolts. They have fixed barrels. They can have a lot of recoil to them, if using the 3 1/2 inch loads that some will digest, but for the most part, fall somewhere between the gas operated guns, and the short recoil guns, when using the same load.
quote:The inertia action shotguns like Benelli must be more powerful than gas operated guns like Remington 1100; they kick so much more.
That is somewhat not totally true. While some of them so chambered, can digest the 3 1/2" super magnums, they will also, interchangeably handle the lightest 2 3/4" target loads.
The Stoeger 2000, if I am not mistaken, is a Turkish made clone of the Benelli Super Black Eagle. Yes, for the price, I would take a chance, as I have had the chance to play with a couple. Though not hundreds of rounds, it was totally reliable, even though you might not want to go to a 200 bird shoot with it.
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EDIT 1
JudgeColt
The Colt 1911, has a tilting link, solid lock up. You should be ashamed, by calling a Colt 1911, short recoil. Of all folks, you should know better.
Mike,
There is absolutely nothing but spring pressure, that hold the bolt and barrel together,, on the 11, 11/48, or A5, until the force is enough to override it. Because of this, and there is nothing physically latching the bolt to the barrel, and/or receiver, it operates much like a blowback.
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Part number 43 LOCKS the bolt to the action. A 11/48 has a locked bolt. http://stevespages.com/ipb-remington-1148.html
A true inertia shot gun is also a winchester 1300 pump, which was sold under the Ted Williams brand by sears. It uses the recoil of the rear movement to START the opening of the action to allow faster
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