Help american made foreignused carbine
[img][/img]Hello Guys I have what looks like a Mauser designed but American made military Carbine. Made by HOPKINS and ALLEN In NORWICH CONN U.S.A. I think in 7mm this is a cock on closing looks sort of like a
model 91 The gun is all matching and in great condition. it has 4 digit serial 9502 followed by a fancy scrip letter R Magazine loaded with a stripper clip it has Bayonet mount both regular sling mount plus front STACKING swivel the left side of butt stock has a steel flush mounted bar wit a cut out slot ending in a key hole strange shape. the font 1/3 inch of the barrel is reduced in size I think for the bayonet Rear sight goes from flat to a raised latter and side of rear sight marked 1-5 Barrel is stepped in two small steps startingat front of receiver the same size as receiver for just less then one inch then next step 2&1/4 inch to just rear of the rear sight
then barrel full size to front sight of .9 inches I hope to post bunches of pictures later to night. Thanks for looking Karl
editI just added one more picture czn someone tell me the purpose of the weird slotin the metal pice inletted in the butt stock
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EDit II Thanks Rufe Snow . I thought maybe something like that . Looked almost like an box end wrench opening. I never seen a rifle with both sling swivel and something like a saddle ring
bot on the butt stock. of a model 91 type with turned down bolt that all look that this was the configuration as it left the Hopkins & Allen Factory
model 91 The gun is all matching and in great condition. it has 4 digit serial 9502 followed by a fancy scrip letter R Magazine loaded with a stripper clip it has Bayonet mount both regular sling mount plus front STACKING swivel the left side of butt stock has a steel flush mounted bar wit a cut out slot ending in a key hole strange shape. the font 1/3 inch of the barrel is reduced in size I think for the bayonet Rear sight goes from flat to a raised latter and side of rear sight marked 1-5 Barrel is stepped in two small steps startingat front of receiver the same size as receiver for just less then one inch then next step 2&1/4 inch to just rear of the rear sight
then barrel full size to front sight of .9 inches I hope to post bunches of pictures later to night. Thanks for looking Karl
editI just added one more picture czn someone tell me the purpose of the weird slotin the metal pice inletted in the butt stock
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EDit II Thanks Rufe Snow . I thought maybe something like that . Looked almost like an box end wrench opening. I never seen a rifle with both sling swivel and something like a saddle ring
bot on the butt stock. of a model 91 type with turned down bolt that all look that this was the configuration as it left the Hopkins & Allen Factory
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H & A had a contract with the Belgian government in exile, to manufacture their Model 1889 Infantry Rifle. This was after the German invasion and occupation of 1914. The rifles are chambered for the 7.65 X 53mm cartridge. Same one used by Argentina.
The rifles aren't common, and the carbines even less so. Looks like you have a real nice one there. If it's factory original, not a later cut down rifle would be worth some bucks to a military rifle collector.0 -
Looks like an 1889 Belgian carbine.
Action like 1891, jacketed barrel like 1888.
Made by H&A as well as a plant in Birmingham, England during WWI while Belgium wa occupied by Germans that time.
Caliber 7.65mm.0 -
Rufe Snow do you know if re SCRIP letter R denotes the carbine model [?]I don't use photobucket enough to keep current on how to copy and paste IMG. I thought I had it figured out after the firs three went OK but now I can't get the picture to give me a chance to COPY . I really think this is all original not a rework if so do you have Idea of value It has matching serial on Magazine ,bolt, Stock, receiver, and butt plate
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They were serial numbered similar to the German guns. With a 1 to 4 digit number, along with a letter.
It appears to be in very good condition. Your close-up does show light pitting on the base of the magazine, also bolt handle and rear of receiver appear quite dark. Because of this it appears to have been cleaned, and the stock sanded at least. Still looks quite presentable and would make a collector happy. My WAG still could bring $600 to $800, as they are a very uncommon little known Mauser.
EDIT #1, Believe it's for Cavalry troops.They had to secure their carbines while riding horses. If things went sideways while riding, they didn't have time to scabbard their carbines. They had to use both hands to hold the reins. There was a belt that went over one shoulder. It would have had a male fitting that fit into the stock bracket. It would have been used same as the saddle rings used on the the U.S. Army cavalry carbines, during the 19th Century.0 -
That's not a cavalry model. It is a Engineer's Model. Which is the cavalry gun WITH a bayonet lug. Rare piece you got there.[:D]
Most likely redone about 1920, they were completely gone thru and
re=blued. Matching numbers wasn't a big concern when the armory redid them.0 -
Thank you Babun and Rufe Snow. 0
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