22 Hornet Military Rounds
Does anyone know what grain the soft tip military 22 hornet rounds are ? They are old and came packaged in brown paper in 50 round lots. Made for the M-6 Survival rifle.
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45 gn. are you sure they are 'soft tip'? most I've seen were fmj 0 -
45 grain soft tip is out there. Because they were to be used as game getters in survival of downed airmen, they do not fall under the Geneva or Hague rules.
They even said on the box, "Not to be used for combat" or something like that...
SEE here...
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=3257531890 -
I only ever saw the FMJ. Eskimo's loved that rifle/ammo for Polar bears or so the story goes.
Added No I mean Polar bear(s). They wouldn't waste ammo on a seal under normal circumstances. The rifle was small enough to be carried inside the parka where it didn't freeze up. The FMJ's would punch a hole in the thick skull at close range.
I don't think that the little bolt action magazine feed rifles were ever released and that the government considers them stolen. However as kid I did get to shoot several of now questionable origin.
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Thanks babun you answered my question,that's the package I was looking at. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by charliemeyer007
I only ever saw the FMJ. Eskimo's loved that rifle/ammo for Polar bears or so the story goes.
I think you mean they loved that rifle/ammo for seals. For bears they like the Weatherbys.0 -
I was just looking at a box of them today, friend bought a full
case. They do say something to the effect that they should
under no circumstances be used against personel so I am assuming
they are a soft point. Amazing how small 50 rounds take up when
space is at a premium.0 -
I'm no powder expert, but seeing as this USGI ammunition was specifically for use in M4/M6 survival guns I'd wonder if it isn't tailored for a stubby 14 in. barrel.
Could wringing as much effectiveness as possible out of their short barrels be the reason behind the choice of a soft point bullet?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
I'm no powder expert, but seeing as this USGI ammunition was specifically for use in M4/M6 survival guns I'd wonder if it isn't tailored for a stubby 14 in. barrel.
Could wringing as much effectiveness as possible out of their short barrels be the reason behind the choice of a soft point bullet?
I don't think it is any different than the normal loadings. It was issued during wartime so probably just sent out the soft tips because they had them in stock. "necessity is the mother of invention"
I had just read a book on military rifles that had a chapter on the US Army issuing the M1916 rifle. It was the Mosin -nagant 1891 in 7.62 x 54R. It went with our troops sent to Russia to "protect" our supplies during the Russian Revolution.0 -
quote:Originally posted by charliemeyer007
. . .Eskimo's loved that rifle/ammo for Polar bears or so the story goes.
Added No I mean Polar bear(s). They wouldn't waste ammo on a seal under normal circumstances. The rifle was small enough to be carried inside the parka where it didn't freeze up. The FMJ's would punch a hole in the thick skull at close range. . .
Charlie - You have a very quaint idea of what Alaska is like. Probably based on movies and television which are mostly untrue. I lived in Alaska for 30 years and have known a lot of Alaska Natives. They are no different than you or me. Hunting polar bears with a 22 Hornet would be both foolish and dangerous. Not something they would do. A 300 Weatherby would be more to their liking.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Cheechako
quote:Originally posted by charliemeyer007
. . .Eskimo's loved that rifle/ammo for Polar bears or so the story goes.
Added No I mean Polar bear(s). They wouldn't waste ammo on a seal under normal circumstances. The rifle was small enough to be carried inside the parka where it didn't freeze up. The FMJ's would punch a hole in the thick skull at close range. . .
Charlie - You have a very quaint idea of what Alaska is like. Probably based on movies and television which are mostly untrue. I lived in Alaska for 30 years and have known a lot of Alaska Natives. They are no different than you or me. Hunting polar bears with a 22 Hornet would be both foolish and dangerous. Not something they would do. A 300 Weatherby would be more to their liking.
I'll go with Charlie on this one. I know they like their Weatherby's now, but I know a lot of them in Bethel and the surrounding villages that always take their .222's. It's the only place I've seen (since I was a kid in the early '70's) where .222 boxes of ammo were as plentiful as .223 and 30-06.
True story. They've killed a lot of Polar Bears in Alaska with small .22 HP cartridges.0
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