Pre 64 M 70 Winchester
Have an opportunity to buy a M70 with a bull barrel, chambered to 243 Winchester about 98% condition. no extra holes, not refinished just plain nice. I've never seen one with a heavy barrel that wasn't a match gun. Was this uncommon? A varmit gun I guess?? Belongs to a elderly couple and I'm no crook. She thinks he's owned it since 1960. He's not of firm mind. My usual M70 price is $800 ~$1000 is this fair? I'd like to have it but don't want to short change either of us.
Am I in the ball park? There doesn't seem to be any "comps" in the advanced search side.
Am I in the ball park? There doesn't seem to be any "comps" in the advanced search side.
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The rifle is called a Varmint Model. It came in .220 Swift and .243 Winchester Caliber's. It was not in production for very long and is one of the scarcer variations. The chart of scarcity of the different models in The Rifleman's Rifle shows a production figure of 4,614 for the Varmint Model in .243 cal. The chart lists it as 7th out of 14 models in relative rarity. I would think that rifle in the condition you describe would be closer to $2,000.00 than $1,000.00.
The target models had the Marksman Stock. It had a wide fore end with adjustable hand stop.0 -
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
Herschel, you nailed it. It is a pre 64, I can tell that much, trust me. No raised comb, no wide front end. Not set up as a match gun. Must be what you described. If I go back to see it, it wont be to take pictures. From what you say I'd guess $1400 would be treating us both OK?0 -
Does the stock have a Monte Carlo ('humped') comb? If not, it may be a Target Model, not the Varmint; the former are scarcer, and perhaps worth more. 0 -
First, find out if this is a pre '64 or post '63 Winchester made these also in .222 and .243 .225. Those are worth more in the $700-$1000 range. Great rifles mind you, but just don't bring what pre-'64's do.
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Serial number and pics would be of help. 0 -
The original post said the lady thought the gentleman had owned the gun since 1960. 0 -
riley p, Apparently being a scarcer model does not make it much more valuable than some other models. Here are some prices from my 2009 Blue Book for pre '64 Model 70 Winchesters.
Standard Grade, Standard Cals. 98% $1,200
Featherweight, .243, 98% $1,400
Featherweight, .270, 98% $1,550
Varmnt, .243, 98%, $1,425
We all know the Blue Book is just a price guide, some are over priced, some underpriced, blah, blah, blah but I think the comparison of the prices given for other models might be helpful. FWIW0 -
Herschel: Thanks again. (I think) I understand "blue book". And have very little use for it. If I'm looking for a reality based value I do an "Advanced" GB search and see what others have sold for. None showed up. That's where I got lost. The others you mention sell for $800 to $1000 all day every day here in Maine. Not the least bit uncommon. Now I have to rethink this a little. 0 -
Based on what I have observed (and have listed in my book "The RED BOOK of WINCHESTER Values), the value range for a Model 70 Varmint grade in 243 Win is as follows;
70% - $1,350
80% - $1,595
90% - $1,840
98% - $2,450
These values are based on actual sales in the past 24-months.0 -
I agree with Bert. You might think his 98% price is high, but the reality is most guns you find are going to be 70-80% at best. There where 2,400 some of this configuration built, 5% + or - are going to be 95%, so that pretty well sets the high end value. $1,300 to $1,600 is what your looking at for a nice example. It takes a hell of a 50 year old rifle to rate a 95%+ rating if you follow The Winchester Collectors Guide.
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