Felons to maybe get guns.
quote:Colorado State Rep. Perry Buck believes so much in the right to bear arms that she thinks even convicted felons should be able to own guns -- once they get out of the clink, of course. And only if they were convicted of, you know, "good felonies," which Buck defines as non-violent crimes. Guns for (Good) Felons is the gist of a new bill from Buck, who introduced legislation that would allow for certain felons to be able to possess firearms once again. Buck's arguments are that nonviolent offenders are unlikely to commit violent crimes so it would be "irresponsible" to deny them access to instruments of violence
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quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Felons should not be allowed to vote or own guns upon release. They should be required to prove their re-discovered trustworthiness. There should be a life-long component to punishment for a crime.
If they cannot prove they can be trusted beyond the first phase of their punishment (that being prison), they can darned well suffer the consequences.
Those consequences would include an armed and honest public ready for them should they transgress again.
This is ludacris......if they have payed there debt to society and are infact being released there rights should be restored. Otherwise they should not be released... Right.
If they cannot prove they can be trusted....they should not be released.... Lets enforce the laws on the books to the fullest extent.....my 2 cents
As far as the life long punishment..............Swift justice.....violent offenders death row straight away...now more wasted tax dollars. Where the line is is a valid debate........the guy who serves time for a good felony...and is deemed safe,has payed his debt to society, and is released, gets his rights back.0 -
Our constitution guarantees certain rights. You don't (or at least shouldn't) get to pick and choose which ones you will uphold.
Just because someone committed a felony doesn't mean they can be searched without a warrant or be denied due process or any other right recognized under the constitution.
After the person has served their time and all conditions of their probation and/or parole have been met, their rights should be restored. Bad guys will always get guns anyway. Honest people with guns could still stop them if they misuse them.
When in doubt, we should always lean toward the side of more freedoms, not less. Failure to do so has brought us to where we are now.0 -
In Virginia a convicted felon can request that the Governor restore their rights. 0 -
I agree that felony is now an overused word. The govt seems to have embarked upon a crusade of turning citizens into criminals. Just look at our tax laws. Nobody, not even IRS employees can file a return the same as another IRS employee. Too easy to become a felon these days.
If convicted of violent crime keep them in jail. If the jail is too full, decriminalize drugs and the freed pot smokers would leave plenty of room. No need for NICS checks if the violent ones are still in prison. Look at all the govt we would get rid of if we did that.
If you are free, you are free. Simple as that.0 -
Finally a legislator who makes sense! It is insane to deny fundamental rights of citizenship to those who commit non-violent crimes. The ridiculous myriads of crimes that are classified as felonies today include way to trivial offences to justify suspension of your rights as a citizen. 0 -
Is Bill Clinton a felon?
Perjury is a felony.
He lost his license to practice law.
Can he VOTE?0 -
quote:Originally posted by o b juan
I didnt read all the posts but TEXAS Stipulates 10 Years after all time and probation served they may have a gun in their home only..
For protetcion of the home.
"Put that in your pipe and smoke it"
I LOVE TEXAS
Texan by BIRTHRIGHT
DITTOS.
i have a problem with someone with a felony mag conviction moving here and being denied.0 -
I will have to disagree with this for the simple fact that our judicial system typically gives so many chances especially on felonies.
Hell I know first hand I had gotten in trouble years ago was charged with nine drug related felonies I had a wild life in my 20s. The charges got rolled into one then since I had not been in trouble before I got a pretrial diversion and that was that after 5 years it is dismissed and then file to expunge.
Just my two cents on this I think the right should be taken away for repeat screw ups simply bc more times often than not they never learn anyway.0 -
They did there time. Felons blood is just as red as the next mans'. They deserve to protect Themselves and their family, just as you and I. 0 -
all these felons to be released should spend the first 30 days of freedom living at this IDIOTS house..with him being legally and financially responsible for their actions 0 -
quote:Originally posted by competentone
I don't think there should be any restrictions on firearm ownership against convicted felons released back into society.
But then, I don't believe most people who are convicted of violent crimes should be "released back into society" in any condition where they'd be able commit crimes again.
"One strike and you're out for life, or executed," is my policy for dealing with violent criminals.
If you're too dangerous to be allowed to own a firearm, you're too dangerous to be released back into society.
BINGO!!!0 -
quote:I think that some folks should get a chance at redemption.
i knew a kid in Kommiefornia my best friends son, about 35 years ago who was deeeeeeeeep into the drug trade, he spent several years in prison from 1978-98 an in and out sort of thing, he claimed/admitted to my son that he killed a couple of "Hell's Angels" to free himself from a drug bill and possible hit on himself. he also admitted to my son he "put down" some others for not paying up, he turned himself in for a drug deal, got convicted spent 3 years in prison to let the "heat" cool down on the murders, all his convictions were for drugs, and/or brandishing a weapon, in Kommiefornia a drug conviction was for 5 to 15 years, with good conduct it could be reduced to a few months or a year or two. his longest stretch was 3 1/2 yrs.
that is his background.
today he is the supervisor of a large landscaping company in S. Kommiefornia, married with three kids, is a "Little League" coach with the kids goes to church, serves on the local school board and has not gotten in any trouble, not even a parking ticket. he is now what some may call the epitome of a model citizen..., should he be allowed to own a gun [?]?[?]?0 -
quote:Originally posted by USN_Airdale
quote:I think that some folks should get a chance at redemption.
i knew a kid in Kommiefornia my best friends son, about 35 years ago who was deeeeeeeeep into the drug trade, he spent several years in prison from 1978-98 an in and out sort of thing, he claimed/admitted to my son that he killed a couple of "Hell's Angels" to free himself from a drug bill and possible hit on himself. he also admitted to my son he "put down" some others for not paying up, he turned himself in for a drug deal, got convicted spent 3 years in prison to let the "heat" cool down on the murders, all his convictions were for drugs, and/or brandishing a weapon, in Kommiefornia a drug conviction was for 5 to 15 years, with good conduct it could be reduced to a few months or a year or two. his longest stretch was 3 1/2 yrs.
that is his background.
today he is the supervisor of a large landscaping company in S. Kommiefornia, married with three kids, is a "Little League" coach with the kids goes to church, serves on the local school board and has not gotten in any trouble, not even a parking ticket. he is now what some may call the epitome of a model citizen..., should he be allowed to own a gun [?]?[?]?
If this story was true he would not be walking around. He would be dead. U don't just kill a couple of HA boys and not have problems from it. In fact, you should be careful what you post about them. You might receive a visit from them wanting to know who this guy is. Or you might receive a visit possibly by the cops.
I am syre you are just posting what you were told but still I call BS on the murder of 2 HA boys.0 -
quote:Originally posted by USN_Airdale
quote:I think that some folks should get a chance at redemption.
i knew a kid in Kommiefornia my best friends son, about 35 years ago who was deeeeeeeeep into the drug trade, he spent several years in prison from 1978-98 an in and out sort of thing, he claimed/admitted to my son that he killed a couple of "Hell's Angels" to free himself from a drug bill and possible hit on himself. he also admitted to my son he "put down" some others for not paying up, he turned himself in for a drug deal, got convicted spent 3 years in prison to let the "heat" cool down on the murders, all his convictions were for drugs, and/or brandishing a weapon, in Kommiefornia a drug conviction was for 5 to 15 years, with good conduct it could be reduced to a few months or a year or two. his longest stretch was 3 1/2 yrs.
that is his background.
today he is the supervisor of a large landscaping company in S. Kommiefornia, married with three kids, is a "Little League" coach with the kids goes to church, serves on the local school board and has not gotten in any trouble, not even a parking ticket. he is now what some may call the epitome of a model citizen..., should he be allowed to own a gun [?]?[?]?
Ah, NO!
Would you like to try another one?0 -
Could some one please point me to the part of the Constitution that says a felony gets your rights taken away? And why just some parts? The gun maybe, if you did a violent crime, but the not voting? Could some one explaine that part?
Not being stupid I just dont remember that part.0 -
I don't see it either.
But the FED's use:
Question 11.b. - 11.l. Definition of Prohibited Person: Generally, 18
U.S.C. ? 922 prohibits the shipment, transportation, receipt, or possession in
or affecting interstate commerce of a firearm by one who: has been convicted
of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence; has been convicted of a felony,
or any other crime, punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year
on the 4473 to stop the sale of a gun thru licensed dealers, FFL.
I wonder how there can be a FEDERAL crime that is not all ready under a STATE jurisdiction, other than perhaps treason, tax violation or perjury.
But voting is a State issue, unless the State wants to insure that only legal ballots are cast.0 -
Tax evasion is non-violent felony. Unless your a democrat then it isn't even a crime. But be that as it may, I have no problem with non-violent felons owning guns. 0
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