Cuomo's NY State Gun Bill
No grandfathering of pre-1994 magazines. No transfer of "assault weapons" allowed. Definition limited to one feature. Handgun mags limited to 7 rounds! Who the hell makes those? This guy is an ASS! [:(!]
ALBANY - Lawmakers have reached a tentative agreement on a bill to broaden the state's definition of banned assault weapons, increase penalties for those convicted of gun crimes and create a statewide registry of assault rifles, according to people briefed on the draft bill.
Key lawmakers, including Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Senate Independent Democratic Conference leader Jeff Klein said they were "hopeful" and "confident" that a vote would be held Monday - a rapid move toward consideration that requires a special "message of necessity" from Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat who has been pushing lawmakers to act quickly on a gun control package.
FOLLOW DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON THE CAPITOL CONFIDENTIAL BLOG.
Silver, D-Manhattan, said the legislation would adjust the definition of a banned assault rifle so that any single characteristic - a telescoping stock, a bayonet attachment, a pistol grip - on a semi-automatic rifle qualifies it to be banned. Existing weapons would be grandfathered in, Silver said, but their ownership could not be transferred.
A statewide registry of these guns would be created, Silver said, and the county-by-county process for issuing handgun permits would also be standardized.
At the urging of Republicans in the Senate, the bill will also stiffen penalties for people who use guns criminally, Klein said. It would also include an expansion of mental health providers' ability to commit those found to be a danger to the public - another GOP priority - known as "Kendra's Law."
"This is an issue that shows we can work together," said Klein, D-Bronx. "Republicans, it's very clear, wanted harsher criminal penalties for illegal guns, which is something that I agree with. But on the other hand, we're also going to ban assault weapons and limit the number of rounds in a magazine. Putting those together makes it a better bill."
Silver said the maximum capacity of an ammunition magazine would be reduced from 10 round to seven, and that a current exemption for clips manufactured before 1994 would be removed.
Legislators will review the proposed outline of legislation in their private party conferences Monday afternoon. In order for vote to be taken on Monday, the package would require a "message of necessity" from the governor that would eliminate the need for the usual three-day "aging" period for bills. Cuomo and lawmakers took heavy criticism last March, when they passed numerous significant items in a late-night session that made extensive use of such shortcuts.
The biggest hurdle may be Republicans in the state Senate who comprise the chamber's governing coalition along with Klein's five-member IDC. A spokesman for Senate Republicans did not immediately say what his conference's intentions were, but Deputy Republican Leader Thomas Libous said during a morning interview on WGDJ 1300-AM that some type of legislative action was "inevitable," and that Democrats, though split into two factions, outnumber his fellow Republicans in the chamber.
"As we speak, it's not done," said Libous, R-Binghamton. "There are a lot of things here that, I think, true Second Amendment believers are going to have some issues with. ... Liberals feel a very certain way when it comes to these things. What we're doing as Republicans is trying to get pieces in this bill ... a school safety piece, a Kendra's law bill."
It's unclear whether those provisions would weigh heavily enough for at least some Republicans to support aspects of the bill. But if the GOP agrees to bring a measure to the floor - it shares authority with Klein over what bills come before the chamber - Democrats acting in unison could provide enough votes for its passage.
"I haven't seen all the details," said Sen. Greg Ball, a Republican from Putnam County who's one of the chamber's staunchest gun-rights advocates. "A lot of focus right now ... seems to be intense on those that are already obeying the law and pose zero threat, whereas we still have people dying every day from illegal firearms and we still have a mental health system in this country where the violently mental ill and unstable are falling through the cracks. You're not In the wake of the killings in Newtown, Conn., gun control became a major element of Cuomo's third State of the State address last week. And in a Monday press conference, President Barack Obama said that his gun control proposals were likely to be ready for introduction later this week.
"The message out there is so clear after Newtown to get us down this road as quickly as possible," Silver said. "It's something the people of this state want and it's an important thing to do. It is an emergency."
The only remaining sticking point, he said, is how to provide funding for school safety improvements.
A formal event featuring Cuomo announcing the tentative agreement could come Monday afternoon.
A holdup that was considered a minor delay to completing the gun deal was a difference of opinion on when the "reform" package would take effect - immediately, as Cuomo demanded, or in at least 30 days, as Senate Republicans pushed, according to the person with knowledge of the negotiations. That holdup was overcome to the governor's liking, the person said.
An effective date that was beyond immediate would cause a run on gun shops, the person said.
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Legislature-poised-to-act-on-gun-control-4192358.php#ixzz2HzLR0R4P
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Legislature-poised-to-act-on-gun-control-4192358.php#ixzz2HzKmsiIF
ALBANY - Lawmakers have reached a tentative agreement on a bill to broaden the state's definition of banned assault weapons, increase penalties for those convicted of gun crimes and create a statewide registry of assault rifles, according to people briefed on the draft bill.
Key lawmakers, including Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Senate Independent Democratic Conference leader Jeff Klein said they were "hopeful" and "confident" that a vote would be held Monday - a rapid move toward consideration that requires a special "message of necessity" from Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat who has been pushing lawmakers to act quickly on a gun control package.
FOLLOW DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON THE CAPITOL CONFIDENTIAL BLOG.
Silver, D-Manhattan, said the legislation would adjust the definition of a banned assault rifle so that any single characteristic - a telescoping stock, a bayonet attachment, a pistol grip - on a semi-automatic rifle qualifies it to be banned. Existing weapons would be grandfathered in, Silver said, but their ownership could not be transferred.
A statewide registry of these guns would be created, Silver said, and the county-by-county process for issuing handgun permits would also be standardized.
At the urging of Republicans in the Senate, the bill will also stiffen penalties for people who use guns criminally, Klein said. It would also include an expansion of mental health providers' ability to commit those found to be a danger to the public - another GOP priority - known as "Kendra's Law."
"This is an issue that shows we can work together," said Klein, D-Bronx. "Republicans, it's very clear, wanted harsher criminal penalties for illegal guns, which is something that I agree with. But on the other hand, we're also going to ban assault weapons and limit the number of rounds in a magazine. Putting those together makes it a better bill."
Silver said the maximum capacity of an ammunition magazine would be reduced from 10 round to seven, and that a current exemption for clips manufactured before 1994 would be removed.
Legislators will review the proposed outline of legislation in their private party conferences Monday afternoon. In order for vote to be taken on Monday, the package would require a "message of necessity" from the governor that would eliminate the need for the usual three-day "aging" period for bills. Cuomo and lawmakers took heavy criticism last March, when they passed numerous significant items in a late-night session that made extensive use of such shortcuts.
The biggest hurdle may be Republicans in the state Senate who comprise the chamber's governing coalition along with Klein's five-member IDC. A spokesman for Senate Republicans did not immediately say what his conference's intentions were, but Deputy Republican Leader Thomas Libous said during a morning interview on WGDJ 1300-AM that some type of legislative action was "inevitable," and that Democrats, though split into two factions, outnumber his fellow Republicans in the chamber.
"As we speak, it's not done," said Libous, R-Binghamton. "There are a lot of things here that, I think, true Second Amendment believers are going to have some issues with. ... Liberals feel a very certain way when it comes to these things. What we're doing as Republicans is trying to get pieces in this bill ... a school safety piece, a Kendra's law bill."
It's unclear whether those provisions would weigh heavily enough for at least some Republicans to support aspects of the bill. But if the GOP agrees to bring a measure to the floor - it shares authority with Klein over what bills come before the chamber - Democrats acting in unison could provide enough votes for its passage.
"I haven't seen all the details," said Sen. Greg Ball, a Republican from Putnam County who's one of the chamber's staunchest gun-rights advocates. "A lot of focus right now ... seems to be intense on those that are already obeying the law and pose zero threat, whereas we still have people dying every day from illegal firearms and we still have a mental health system in this country where the violently mental ill and unstable are falling through the cracks. You're not In the wake of the killings in Newtown, Conn., gun control became a major element of Cuomo's third State of the State address last week. And in a Monday press conference, President Barack Obama said that his gun control proposals were likely to be ready for introduction later this week.
"The message out there is so clear after Newtown to get us down this road as quickly as possible," Silver said. "It's something the people of this state want and it's an important thing to do. It is an emergency."
The only remaining sticking point, he said, is how to provide funding for school safety improvements.
A formal event featuring Cuomo announcing the tentative agreement could come Monday afternoon.
A holdup that was considered a minor delay to completing the gun deal was a difference of opinion on when the "reform" package would take effect - immediately, as Cuomo demanded, or in at least 30 days, as Senate Republicans pushed, according to the person with knowledge of the negotiations. That holdup was overcome to the governor's liking, the person said.
An effective date that was beyond immediate would cause a run on gun shops, the person said.
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Legislature-poised-to-act-on-gun-control-4192358.php#ixzz2HzLR0R4P
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Legislature-poised-to-act-on-gun-control-4192358.php#ixzz2HzKmsiIF
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And you are surprised by what exactly?
Thought you said you were leaving there years ago to go back to VA.0 -
This is just craziness. Please write to your politicians or sign on to Ruger.com to fill out the call to action they will send to these politicians know we are against any such legislation!
Make sure they hear our voices, as well as the knee jerk reactionists who want to ban guns.
I have no plans to sell my weapons, but some have 10 round clips ( Ruger Mark II) as the regular magazine. What the heck are you supposed to do if this idiocy actually passes?0 -
Good grief the crime rate in NY is going to skyrocket. 0 -
Some thoughts
1. I think this is exactly what Obama is waiting on. Let a state pass the first new rounds of restrictions to judge how the people will respond and then if not too bad, do the same on the national level.
2. Very few semi auto pistols hold 7 or less (some 1911s and compact single stacks). Hell even the 22 pistols hold 10 rounds.
3. Will this apply to rifles as well? That will impact Ruger 10/22, Marlin 795, Remington 597 and all tube fed 22s as they hold 14 or so.
4. Will this apply to the lever actions? Pistol caliber levers hold 9 or so.
If this were to pass (as it seems likely it will), I would hope that all the manufacturers there would pull stakes and leave. Who all is up there?
Remington/Marlin/Bushmaster
Kimber
Kahr
To add insult to injury, I would hope the likes of Glock, S&W, Sig, Ruger, etc would tell NY that they will no longer service any weapons nor provide any weapons to their Law Enforcement.0 -
Wow,,,And crime WILL increase,,then what--Obammas plan probably similiar,,,thanks a lot you scumbags-[|)] 0 -
I scanned it again,,what a piec of trash law-(s) --if it passes the Obammer group will charge ahead in a death cry,,remember the children,,[xx(][|)][V] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
And you are surprised by what exactly?
Thought you said you were leaving there years ago to go back to VA.
I told my wife the other day that at least one of us is moving back to Virginia this year. She knows I mean it. [:(!]0 -
quote:Originally posted by mm8nambu
I scanned it again,,what a piec of trash law-(s) --if it passes the Obammer group will charge ahead in a death cry,,remember the children,,[xx(][|)][V]
It's always about the 'children' or "If it can save just one life."
As has been said many times before,.....you can save a heck of a lot of lives by getting rid of vehicles, knives, bats, sports, boats, swimming pools, etc.
It never ends, and I venture to guess that virtually everything I mentioned beats out firearms, or close to it concerning deaths of children.
The simple fact is 'We the People' are considered servants at this point. The elite have no need for firearms, as they are guarded 24/7/365.
Why do we allow the people that are supposed to represent us, and serve us to dictate what we will/won't do, and to live under different rules?
I doubt anyone could answer that question to my satisfaction.0 -
They're having an "Emergency Session" of the Legislature right now to try and get this jammed through tonight so people don't have a chance to react or the Legislators time to debate it. Cuomo doesn't even want a 30-day grace period; he wants it effective IMMEDIATELY!
I guess he took lessons from Obama. [:(!]0 -
Will the legislature actually go for this? IL pulls this crap all the time. There's always a few outspoken blowhards. Always ends up getting trashed. If this passes, it will hit the fan in NY soon after. 0 -
I think my Walther ppk will triple it's value with the little six round mag. 0 -
I was just going to add this one, thought someone might have beaten me to it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/new-york-gun-control-deal-cuomo_n_2472275.html?1358180884&icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=256833
I'm in NC and I hate to hear this. I can't even say what I really want to about these people making these laws, else I might not be invited back here. If you decide to move to NC, even though I'm looking to get out in the future, let me know and I can suggest some areas to go to, and some to avoid. I will do my part to help all gun owners, regardless of their choice of gun or state to live in at this point.0 -
Most guns that commit crimes are stolen or illegally obtained, how
does this bill stop that? Sounds like an excuse to pass laws that will
lead to tyranny![}:)]0
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