inertia action
Does a shotgun kick more with inertia action, say in Benelli, or gas action in a Reminton 1100. I am considering a Benelli in 20ga. Thanks for any comments.
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There are three basic action types for semi-automatic shotguns. They are short recoil, like the Browning A-5, and Franchi 48AL....Gas like the Remington 1100, Browning Golds, Beretta 390, and their clones/versions, and then the Inertia, like the Benelli's, and some of the other imports.
The Short recoil has the most recoil, and the difference between the gas and inertia systems, is so minimal, it is hard to discern. However, in most instances, the inertia system is more robust than the gas, on similar grade guns.
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quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
There are three basic action types for semi-automatic shotguns. They are short recoil, like the Browning A-5, and Franchi 48AL....Gas like the Remington 1100, Browning Golds, Beretta 390, and their clones/versions, and then the Inertia, like the Benelli's, and some of the other imports.
The Short recoil has the most recoil, and the difference between the gas and inertia systems, is so minimal, it is hard to discern. However, in most instances, the inertia system is more robust than the gas, on similar grade guns.
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The browning auto-5 and Franchi 48 AL are long recoil, examples of short recoil shotguns would be the browning a500r and winchester 59.
I would say that gas operated models have noticeably less recoil the the others, but, they all have less noticeable recoil then manually operated shotguns.
Also if the gun fits well then recoil will be less of a problem.0 -
I've owned many different models of semi-auto Beretta's for some years.
I've had some that were inertia & some gas. I think the models I've had the gas was softer recoil.0 -
The worst-kicking shotgun I ever had was a long-recoil Winchester 1911, which had no friction brake. The barrel and bolt just bottomed out with full force. The next worst was a Franchi 48, because it weighed only .000000008 ounces[:D]. The softest kicker was a Remington 1100. I could go a lot more rounds of trap with that than I could with any other gun, including O/U's (Ithaca 700 & Perazzi MX8)
The Franchi was good for hunting, as it was extremely portable, and even if it kicked me sideways, that was only a couple of times a day [:)].0 -
The recoil is a function of the weight of stuff going out the barrel and the propulive affect of the expanding gases. Since the gas operated action bleeds some of the gas off, the gas operated action will have less total recoil; however there are other aspects that affect "felt" recoil. While the total recoil may be the same between different actions, some action pread the recoil over a longer period of time, thus causing the aparent recoil to be less- more of a push than a sharp jab. Additionally, the fit of the gun and the drop between the buttpad and the line of the bore also affects how much leverage the gun has in its push. 0 -
Talking about the fit of the gun, what does it mean (and I may have it wrong) lop 14, 14 5/8, and etc. 0 -
The long recoil-operated Browning A-5 and its' clones; Remington 11 and Savage 720 are heavy recoiling beasts and clumsy ones at that. They break forends even though friction brakes are set correctly. Surprisingly,(to me) they have a dedicated following.
Gas operated guns like the Remington 1100 are much handier and lighter recoiling guns.
I've the Lightweight Model 1100 VR 20ga weighing 7# that doesn't need a recoil pad.
You can carry and shoot it all day. Everyone likes to shoot it. Older 11oo models need chokes installed unless you can live with modified.
Handle one and better yet try one out at a public skeet/trap range.
I thought I needed a Ruger o/u 20 with straight English stock until I tried one out.
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quote:Originally posted by peddler
Does a shotgun kick more with inertia action, say in Benelli, or gas action in a Reminton 1100. I am considering a Benelli in 20ga. Thanks for any comments.
They are all different, some inertia are better then some gas..take a Beretta 3 series, heavy in weight with reasonable recoil, 391 more recoil lighter gun. franchi hunter 48 inertia like a mule kick, BSA 200 inetia much similar gun but... gentle as a puppy..try a few until your happy.
With the fit ...if its comfertable , your half way there. The gun should fit the hand comfortable, come to the cheek sweet when held up, & eye line should align & the gun rib 1" before the end. When brought down should fit between a normal grip & inside your arm to the elbow bend, comfortable again.
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I have shot mostly recoiling barrel, Benelli inertial bolt, and gas guns. I do think the gas guns are slightly softer kicking, especially when you start shooting quantities of 3.5" mags. However, most of the mag shotguns that are gas are generally .5 to a pound heavier and that itself helps a bunch.
I think the Benelli system has a very unique recoil. Some say it has a short sharp impulse, then a long push. I think that may be true for the shorter barrel lengths, but for 26 or 28" I think they are the best thing going. When I go to Canada goose hunting, we shoot hundreds of rounds (sometimes daily) and every night the gas gun guys are cleaning their guns and that is something you just don't have to do with the Benelli bolt style (unless you over-oil your magazine then it attracts junk).
I used to have O/U's for trap, SXS for quail, heavy mags for Geese, Ithaca for all-day carry for pheasant and grouse, etc. However, when I shot many different guns it always took a few shots for me to get the feel and get back on target. So, slowly I started shooting my Benelli Super Black Eagle (that I bought in 1991) more and more. Yeah, it as SLIGHTLY heavier than my Ithaca for all-day carry. Because it was lighter than my heavy mag-only guns it recoiled slighly harder. But, in the end, shooting the same gun for basically everything has some real value. Also, while I am a stickler for a clean gun I like knowing that it doesn't NEED to be cleaned to function.
If you are recoil sensitive, you can always get the new guns like the SBE II that has the gel-filled stock. There is a mercury insert you can add also for additional help.
I'd say try to find people in your area and see if you can shoot thiers. If you are anywhere near Oklahoma I'll be glad to let you shoot mine.
One last thing, I so much believe in a single shotgun hunting system that I now own the SBE, a remington 1100 .410, and a savage .22/410. I have sold all my other ones, including some real nice ones like Ruger Red Label, Browning Citori, 11-87 Remington, etc.0 -
peddler,
LOP = Length of Pull
This is the dimension measured in inches from the hook of the trigger to the end of the butt stock.
When fitting shotguns we have to take into account the LOP, cast on, cast off, drop at heel and drop at comb in order to get the proper fit for an individual. Many times this is accomplished with a 'Try Gun' at your stock maker's shop.
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